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Name: mysterian •
Title: Freemasons and the tomb? •
Date posted: 02/27/07 13:51
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Q: Is the freemason symbol derived from the one on the tomb?
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Name: Tara •
Date: 02/27/07 18:00 |
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A: It sure looks like it is, but the bigger question is did the symbol originate even further back to acient religions that predate christianity, and if so what does it say about the theories that Jesus and the foloowers of early christianity were trying to revive a lost faith.
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Name: DMS •
Date: 02/27/07 21:12 |
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A: I agree - it does look similar.
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Name: Brad •
Date: 02/27/07 22:00 |
A: I suppose the "chevron" symbol *could* be construed as possibly resembling the Masonic "Square". I'll talk to Charlie Pellegrino about it offline.
- IBDoF Admin (and freemason)
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Name: Brad •
Date: 02/27/07 22:25 |
A: To add to my post above ... the masonic "square" is a symbol of morality and ethics, as well as reason. When depicted in Masonic use (as part of the "Three Great Lights", it's shown with it's point downwards, and it's arms upwards ... the masonic compass is angled downward atop it, and the "G" (symbolic of Geometry and TGAoTU) is usually centered between them. You can see the symbol at wikipedia, or any masonic website.
The upside down chevron, and the circle, seem incomplete, and not directly masonic to me ... proto masonic perhaps ?
Recall also that Modern Freemasonry, as we know it today, although it has some ancient roots behind it's symbols and traditions, traces most of it's current ritual symbology only as far back as the 1700's. Evidence of a Templar connection to the masons is extremely popular and pervasive in literature, but might only be inspirational, rather than actual. It's never been definitively and objectively proven.
p.s. I'm hardly a masonic authority ... I've only been a freemason for a little over a year.
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Name: Brad •
Date: 02/27/07 22:32 |
A: Departing from masonic symbology, how about this ...
Perhaps rather than an incomplete compass, and a letter 'o' in place of the masonic 'G' ... perhaps it's a symbol of transconfiguration ?
The circle is a finite symbol suggesting infinity and perfection ... but it can encircle something and contain it. Perhaps it represents the symbol of the immortal soul, rising into the vaults of the heavens ? (the Chevron).
That might be a bit closer to the mark than the classic symbol of modern 'blue lodge' masonry.
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Name: Xare •
Date: 02/27/07 23:10 |
A: Freemasonry adopted these ancient symbols for man and woman from the pagan Hexagram, Star of David, Seal of Solomon, whatever you wanna call it.
The compass as the Phallic and square as the female symbol.
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Name: osirius608 •
Date: 03/01/07 18:47 |
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A: My first impression refers to the symbolic pyramid and all-seeing eye...hasn't it been conjectured that when Jesus (Yeshua) disappeared at age 13 and reappeared at age 30, that he and his family went to Egypt where he learned the mysteries that Masons follow today? I'm not a Mason, but I've been studing for a number of years with the ambition of becoming one of the brotherhood who gives reverence to the Temple of Solomon and St.s John...what do you think of my thought?
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Name: franksenn •
Date: 03/05/07 4:30 |
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A: if you wear that "square" the same shape as above the tomb, in a masonic lodge it means master, and the circle means universe- master of universe, my masonic book is copyright from 1870-the book is called the general history, encyclopedia, and dictionary of freemasonry
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Name: haniel_559 •
Date: 03/05/07 5:26 |
A: " My first impression refers to the symbolic pyramid and all-seeing eye..." oh good, I was not the only one who made that connection.
In my case, however, it made me wonder if it was fantastic piece of fiction, a modern equivalent of the famous "war of the worlds" radio broadcast. A tongue in cheek nod to the conspiracy enthusuasts out there (and they know where you live)...
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Name: Marie •
Date: 03/05/07 17:49 |
A: Maybe. The arch above the tomb could be the Royal Arch of the freemasons. The circle could possibly be the sun or moon. I don't think it resembles the eye emblem of the Masons. Or the "G" of the Mason's.
I have a " Holy Bible Red Edition - Masonic Edition Cyclopedic Indexed" published by the John C Hertel Company.
When I first seen the arch on the tomb, last night, that was the first thing that came to mind: Mason Arch and the eye but I don't think the circle resembles the eye now that I looked it up.
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Name: Wes Boll •
Date: 03/05/07 19:32 |
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A: Where are the Bones!!!Did we lose them after we dumped them out of their family coffins!!!!
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Name: shofyke •
Date: 03/05/07 20:57 |
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A: weboll, it says on the website that they believe the bones were reburied outside of jerusalem. by the way a good book on the freemason question is "the hiram key", its written by a couple of freemasons
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Name: Tara •
Date: 03/06/07 2:18 |
A: If this is the same symbol, then it would say that both Jesus and the masons have evolved from a tradition that predates christianity.
Do you think this tradition is what Jesus was truly trying to preach, and christianity as we know it today is like the game of telephone.
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Name: Bri71 •
Date: 03/06/07 2:29 |
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A: I also wondered about the symbolic comparison of the tomb and the freemasons. Seems odd how close it is to one another eh?
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Name: Historian •
Date: 03/07/07 16:04 |
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A: No. On the tomb, the "chrvron" probably represents heaven. When given as a triangle, the horizontal lower line represents the earth. The circle usually represents neverending love. These are not unusual tomb symbols. They sure did spark some lively debate, though, didn't they?
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Name: Apollyon •
Date: 03/07/07 19:20 |
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A: I thought so immediately .
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Name: Achaney •
Date: 03/09/07 7:46 |
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A: Freemasonry obtained the symbol of the pyramid and the eye when the Knights Templar were disbanded. In turn, the templars became Freemasonry. The symbol was discovered by the knights templar when they journeyed to Jerusalem. There they discovered documents. When the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, one of those scrolls found was a copper scroll (treasure scroll). This copper scrol lgave the locations of where treasures can be found (such as scrolls). When researchers went to find some scrolls shown in the copper scroll (that would be under the temple), they only found Knights Templar artefacts, such as swords that were used for digging. Dots connected we find that the source of the pyramid eye, are only known to two groups upon research. The Hebrews and the Egyptians. Obviously, since Moses was learned in the Egyptinan ways (now discovered to being a pharoah) he brought this symbol with him, being some how adapted; unknown to us, by the Hebrew people at the time and so forth (until Roman occupation created the Catholic church).
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Name: ForbiddenKnowledge33 •
Date: 03/11/07 5:14 |
A: If the symbol is interpreted correctly, it goes so far back in time that it blows every ounce of knowledge into infinitesimal bits.
ForbiddenKnowledge33
Pre-Diluvian Order Of the Chevron
Lodge #1950
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Name: Achaney •
Date: 03/11/07 5:46 |
A: Exactly, so goes the same for the Cross, which has been discovered to being, " A much older symbol".
There's this painting, it was done by the painter Giorgione (1478-1510), this painting be called, "The Adoration of the Sheperds", Mary, Joseph, baby Jesus have there backs to an opening of a cave while the sheperds face Jesus and his family towards the opening of the cave. What is interesting, is that just above the mouth of the cave, is an eye, you first think it to be a rock that is lit up by the light, but on closer inspection it is in the shape of a pupil, and looks much like an eye.
It really blows me away.
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Name: chemba •
Date: 03/12/07 15:01 |
A: Compass to measure the circle
To measure or even make a new circle we generally use compass. Further more, to make or measure a circle we need a centre point and radius. In the mystic symbol, there are two things as one is like compass and circle. So the particular symbol represents that the universe is expanding from its centre point. In short, the ancient scholars have explained and answered the future generations that ‘how the universe works?’
With an imagination as if we had a large compass, then we can measure the universe’s radius and also its circumference.
One more particular detail is that the compass will use to measure the changes of its range now and then.
‘That which expands will shrink and that which shrinks will expand’.
It is the general theory of nature. It may practically be difficult to accept. But this is irrefutable and true knowledge of universe and its products. So they have given the compass and circle as a representation of universe and its changes as expansion and shrinks. Compass is not just for a particular measurement but for every change in it. Universe is expanding from its centre point and again it will come to its original position or its centre and it will repeat the same.
For more details please visit the web pages,
http://understanding-the-life.blogspot.com/ and other important details about God, life and universe through ancient arts, and words, you may go and see all pages from
http://www2.blogger.com/-profile/01439148689153182226-
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Name: Matt Stone •
Date: 03/13/07 12:21 |
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A: I think it looks more like someone mooning us.
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Name: Achaney •
Date: 03/15/07 22:45 |
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A: Matt, thats funny! But this is a serious discussion and I rather see the sunshine on all of this! LOL
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Name: Mark Stilt •
Date: 03/26/07 1:21 |
A: TO: Brad IBDof Admin
I noticed, that on the overhead view of the Tomb of Ten Ossuaries (as mapped by Shimon Gibson), contained in the book "The Jesus Family Tomb", the three designated skulls APPEAR to be located in the East, West and South of the tomb; the North being unoccupied by any representative skulls whatsoever.
As one who has travelled extensively, I found this most intriguing and reminicient of the locations prescribed for the Worshipful Master, Senior Warden and Junior Warden of a lodge..
Has anybody else made this connection?
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Name: Achaney •
Date: 03/29/07 9:16 |
A: The sublime degree of the master mason degree symbolizes the ressurection of the body and the immortality of the soul. Yep! Thats right, ressurection and immortality of the soul. You can find this in the master masons proficiency degree book.
It also talks about Job, "If a man die, shall he live again?", you can find the answer in Job 33:22-26 where he says that men are returned to the days of there youth as fresh babies after they have died. Only when a mediator speaks for the man is he returned to his youth.
The lodge represents solomon's temple where the worshipful master resides in the west and so on, but in the north represents the place of darkness, symbol of ignorance. And so here it goes:
The northeast corner is the traditional location of the cornerstone or foundation (remember that Jesus was the cornerstone rejected in there form of communication ! ) stone of a building. Both the stone and its location signify a beginning. The entered apprentice is placed at this point, midway between the darkness of the north and the brilliance of the east, to signify that he has begun his masonic life. He has left the darkness of the north, which symbolizes lack of knowledge of the masonic life, and is moving toward the light of knowledge that comes from the East. The Enterd Apprentice has laid the foundation stone of his masonic life, and must now build his character from the light of the teachings that come from the East.
This is from the, "Standard Proficiency for the Entered Apprecntice Degree for -----------Lodges". It is not wrong for me to express this because it is no secret to do so, but it is a secret in the way the degree is performed. Which I have not said or shown !
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Name: Achaney •
Date: 03/29/07 9:25 |
A: Paul, also states that there is an inner meaning and outer meaning in the Bible (Old Testament at the time when he wrote his letters). He says things were written in allegory. Anybody or Christian wants to dispute this, better read there bible again, where in Galatians 4:24 Paul admits to allegories in the bible.
"Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and aswereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children." These are Paul's words, not mine . :)
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Name: Logos •
Date: 04/05/07 22:12 |
A: Yes, I think that arch-symbol above the tomb likes Royal Arch-symbol.
The circle is perhaps for the idea of Gogoltha. (Gulgalot: circle in circle)
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Name: Panluna •
Date: 04/06/07 18:45 |
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A: It might just have the way they marked their tomb so that they can find the family plot.Then it could be a more complicated symbol with deeper meanings.
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Name: Mark Stilt •
Date: 04/08/07 11:15 |
A: I'd like to refer all of you to my postings regarding "Gammadia" under the "General Discussions" category of this site.
To me, the "Cheveron" resembles a compass, one of the priniciple working tools of the building profession(s) (see Isaiah 44:13).
As a carpenter (some translate: "Master craftsman") and the (supposed) son of a carpenter, wouldn't it be natural for Jesus to have the family tomb decorated with one of the emblems of the family profession?
Likewise, would it not be natural for his followers to revere those tools with which their Savior earned his living; AND for those tools to be viewed as the sacred symbols of their risen Lord??
This might account for the strange markings known as "Gammadia" which have been found on articles of clothing worn by early christians.
It might also explain the appearance of "Gammadia" on altar cloths, and early paintings of the Apostles.
Furthermore, it might help to explain the transmission of those same symbols to modern times (as found in Freemasonry), through the rituals, rites and traditions of a small persecuted sect of Christians!!
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Name: Webby •
Date: 11/27/07 0:59 |
A: By coincidence, I found my Dad's Mason certificate over the weekend. The chevron on a pillar hit me over the head. I've put a scan of this part of the certificate on my website.
[a href="http://www.wendywebsm-ith.ca/CompassSquare.html"]- click here[/a]
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Name: Webby •
Date: 11/27/07 1:01 |
A: That didn't work very well. URL is http://www.wendywebsmith.ca-/CompassSquare.html
What- do you think?
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Name: Webby •
Date: 11/27/07 1:02 |
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A: There are no dashes in what I'm typing... sorry.
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Name: Buzzer •
Date: 11/03/08 3:39 |
A: I think that I have seen this symbol somewhere when I was in the Jehovah's Witnesses.
http://www.wa-tchtower.org/bible/toc.ht-m-
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Name: fharbuck •
Date: 04/07/09 12:50 |
A: No, the symbol for freemasons is taken from operative mason tools, it is compasses and a square, as in a carpenters square. Masonry is not a christian organization and therefore incorporate no christian, jewish, islamic or anyother reliigious icons.
fharbuck, sr deacon of my blue lodge
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Name: dewild1 •
Date: 08/17/12 8:48 |
A: Have you ever read this, http://anonnews.org/forum/post/1374 ?
This guy says that the physical body of Jesus never left earth and that the Knight Templar, (AKA FreeMasons), knew that his body was buried and that they covered it up back when they were digging under the temple and found all this knowledge and proof. Even the cross Jesus died upon. Even the Ark.
He even emailed Simcha Jacobovici, our leader, lol.
But then he says oh well, the Christians lied, it still does not change our history. Jesus is a historical fact. They just wanted to control our-there women, so they can treat them as less, but as any man of God knows, our women are priceless and we would be nothing without them. He also said he knows for a fact that there is physical bodies and spiritual ones. What the early Christians, even the Jewish Priest who crucified him, Caiaphas I think, but I may be wrong, saw and spoke with the spiritual body of Jesus After his Death of the Physical Body of Jesus, just like there is talk of other righteous men who got raised from the dead, in the Vatican "approved" bible.
I wonder if it is true?
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Name: freelancermuse •
Date: 11/13/13 14:25 |
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A: The basic things about Masonry are geometry and astronomy. The upside down chevron could be either the compass or the square and the circle the result of the the compass. The G in the masonic symbol is not used throughout Masonry. References to the holy Sts. John refer to their feast days which are on the Summer and Winter Soltices. When first seeing the Cheron I immediately identified it with Masonry and its appearance in the ossuaries of Simon Bar Jonah and Simon Cyrene clearly indicate the association with Yeshua ben Joseph. This is my view.
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Name: bonijean2 •
Date: 04/27/14 16:28 |
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A: The freemasonary/templar symbol (diamond shape over a large M) definitely predates Christianity but not in a good way. My research suggests that these men were on a crusade to wipe out the Davidic lineage not to protect it. This group formed out of the ranks of Assyrians, Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, etc. who all had an anti-Semetic agenda.
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