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Name: Little Benny •
Title: Actor didn't look like Jesus •
Date posted: 03/05/07 7:17
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Q: I'm wondering if it was the specific choice of the filmmakers to make the actor in the dramatizations look nothing like the image that appears on the Shroud of Turin, which also looks like most images of Jesus?
I'm not talking about a white Jesus vs a dark skinned Jesus. I'm talking about the structure of the face, hair and beard.
I would never have guessed that the actor in this film was supposed to be Jesus, except for the context.
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Name: abefroman •
Date: 03/05/07 11:20 |
A: I joked about the actor not looking like Jesus to my wife.
The Catholic church has acknowledged the Shroud is a fake. It is kept on display as a reminder of the crucifiction of Jesus.
I usually identify Jesus by his rippling washboard abs. Since the actor kept hus clothes on, I didn't realize it was supposed to be Jesus until the end when they showed him being crucified ;)
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Name: robin •
Date: 03/05/07 13:02 |
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A: He made him look like a Jew would have looked like at that time period and region of the country he was from. How could anyone know what he really looked like but only the background of his family and region.
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Name: SpiritWoman •
Date: 03/05/07 13:12 |
A: Well, finally someone thought to use Indigenous science and debunct all of the myths as to Jesus possible features.
I'm tired of the Jesus is black thing. It's nice to know that he would have looked like a Hebrew.
Peace
SW
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Name: Pat •
Date: 03/05/07 14:37 |
A: The doctrine of the immaculate conception is that Jesus was miraculously conceived inside Mary, who was a virgin at the time. Both Matthew and Luke5 are clear that neither Joseph nor any other man was responsible for Jesus’ conception: it was God.
An angel emphasis to Joseph to marry Mary who is already pregnant at the time and not by him.
The child Jesus was conceived out of wedlock and not by Joseph, however Joseph married her so that no shame could come upon her.
Matthew 1- 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Matthew 1- 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
The reality is that no one can really know how Jesus’ father look like since Jesus is conceived by God or God the Holy Ghost's sperm in order to have a physical body.
We need God's sperm to fertilized the Virgin Mary’s egg to have a child.
Or we needed perhaps one of God’s cell to have a cloned baby Jesus put inside Mary.
Or perhaps we already had a fetus fertilized by God which was later implanted into Mary by the Holy Ghost and Mary became a surrogate mother.
To me it is more evident that God use scientific in vitro fertilization method or some kind of bioengineering.?
The bible talks about 2 thinks Joseph was not the father.
And Mary conception of Jesus was not done with a male penis penetration with human sperm.
All of this sounds very scientific to me and what happened then seems to be the exact same stuff that we are now doing in our laboratories.
Don’t forget the bible states that Angel Gabriel announce to Mary that she was pregnant. Mary did not even know it because all she knew was that she was still a Virgin.
However the bible relates that after Jesus birth Mary had intercourse with Joseph and had other children but all of those were done in a normal intercouse fashion and this without laboratory in vitro fertilization process.
So we cannot tell how Jesus looked like, for the simple reason we do not know what God looks like and what his seed is composed of.
What if God in the bible was one of us out there in space?
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Name: betty47 •
Date: 03/05/07 15:13 |
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A: Jesus was Jewish!! He lived like a Jew. He died as a Jew. He looked like a Jew. Most Jews typically don't have blond hair and blue eyes as seen in many paintings.
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Name: robin •
Date: 03/05/07 23:11 |
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A: HA!!! Now Pat, why would have "GOD" make his own "son" stand out like a sore thumb with all the other people of the region. I mean that would have been a dead give away don't you think. He wouldn't have lived past 12 if that would have been the case--give "GOD" some credit for having a brain.
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Name: robin •
Date: 03/05/07 23:39 |
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A: Also think about this--why would Jesus have looked so different--he was suppose to be Joseph's son--to cover up for Mary so she wouldn't be killed for having a child unmarried--geez--picture it--a whole country of hebrew looking people and this pale blond blue eyed kid running around--now don't you think someone would have questioned Mary about this?
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Name: Little Benny •
Date: 03/05/07 23:49 |
A: I do understand that he would have looked like a Jew since of course he was Jewish, but the Shroud of Turin gives us what his face looked like. And the image on that shroud DOES look like the common depictions of Jesus in most of the illustrations and films about him.
I also want to point out that the Shroud of Turin has NOT been proved a fake. It was thought to be fake after some testing, but those findings have been proven wrong due to bad science. There's a video called Jesus and the Shroud of Turin that explains the new findings.
Again, I'm talking about how his facial features and beard/hair looked, not the colors. The Shroud of Turin gives us an image of those features, not the color of his skin, hair, and eyes.
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Name: abefroman •
Date: 03/06/07 0:46 |
A: It does not matter if the shroud was proved to be fake or not. It was said to be fake by Pope Clement VII in 1390! He declared that it was not the true shroud but rather a representation. Yes the catholic church has the shroud on display. They do NOT claim it is the burial shroud of Jesus!
This is probably the the most idiotic discussion on this forum at the moment
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Name: Jagwar •
Date: 03/06/07 2:04 |
A: Surprised no one mentioned this yet. The doctrine of the immaculate conception is not "that Jesus was miraculously conceived inside Mary." But the immaculate conception refers to Mary's birth, not Jesus' birth. Check out this link for an explanation of the doctrine.
http://www.catholic.com/library/I-mmaculate_Conception_and_Assum.asp
Excerpt:- "It’s important to understand what the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is and what it is not. Some people think the term refers to Christ’s conception in Mary’s womb without the intervention of a human father; but that is the Virgin Birth. Others think the Immaculate Conception means Mary was conceived "by the power of the Holy Spirit," in the way Jesus was, but that, too, is incorrect. The Immaculate Conception means that Mary, whose conception was brought about the normal way, was conceived without original sin or its stain—that’s what "immaculate" means: without stain"
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Name: Tara •
Date: 03/06/07 2:11 |
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A: The video clips mention that the movie was made to be as true to the time as possible, and that Jesus was also made to like like he was of that time and that place.
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Name: Little Benny •
Date: 03/06/07 2:49 |
A: abefroman, you seriously need to look into the Shroud before you dismiss it like that. Do some research. Check out the video that I mentioned. That pope didn't have the scientific knowledge to know that the Shroud is unexplainable by science. It's a true miracle.
How is this discussion idiotic? I really take offense at that.
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Name: Little Benny •
Date: 03/06/07 2:53 |
A: Check out this link: http://www.shroudforum.com/
You'll find the latest news about the Shroud.
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Name: Pat •
Date: 03/06/07 14:02 |
A: Jagwar
Yup you are right about the imaculate conception stuff.
However Jesus born out of Mary and Joseph was not the father in the bible. And it says that the baby was conceive by the HOly Ghost wathever that is and not by a human male.
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Name: SpiritWoman •
Date: 03/06/07 14:54 |
A: Greetings Pat,
Your source is the Gospel of Mathew. The only gospel that tells the story of Mary virgin birth. This Gospel is and has been proven to be written several hundred years after Jesus death. Author unknown or for lack of authentic authorship.
Scholars do not hold this Gospel of any historic significance because of this.
So, that being said, and the fact that we all know how a baby is conceived as it is now 2007 and not 2000 years ago, can't you discern fact from fiction.
Without hurting your feelings, I must say that you come off as a very confused individual.
Life is not that complicated.
And if this does not convince you, then keep in mind that we are talking about the HEBREW G_D, not the Ethiopian, Greek, Roman, Assyrian, Egyptian G_D.
Does this make it easier for your to discern?
Peace
SW
Peace
SW
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Name: SpiritWoman •
Date: 03/06/07 14:58 |
A: Greetings Jagwar,
Thanks for your post on Immaculate Conception.
I didn't think of this.
Great post.
Blessings.
SW
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Name: SpiritWoman •
Date: 03/06/07 15:02 |
A: Name: Pat • Date: 03/06/07 9:02
A: Jagwar
Yup you are right about the imaculate conception stuff.
However Jesus born out of Mary and Joseph was not the father in the bible. And it says that the baby was conceive by the HOly Ghost wathever that is and not by a human male.
In answer to you Pat,
This is because the Father / Joseph was Awakened in Spirit and void of sin as well.
We all carry the Spirit of Creator within. It is but to be Awakened and connected to Creator.
Peace
SW
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Name: Pat •
Date: 03/06/07 15:07 |
A: Name: robin • Date: 03/05/07 18:11
A: HA!!! Now Pat, why would have "GOD" make his own "son" stand out like a sore thumb with all the other people of the region. I mean that would have been a dead give away don't you think. He wouldn't have lived past 12 if that would have been the case--give "GOD" some credit for having a brain.
robin :
God having a brain you say?
Is the Bible, then, entirely the word of God? Does every word prove true? Also, is the traditional King James (KJ) bible an inspired translation, literal, infallable, down to every jot and title, as some denominations have claimed?
Matthew 1:20: Luke 1:26-35 Before Jesus's birth, angels appeared and clearly informed both Joseph and Mary that their child was the Son of God.
Luke 2:49-50 In spite of this, Joseph and Mary did not understand Jesus when he refered to God as his "father".
Matthew 2:1,14-15,22-23 Joseph and his family fled Judea (Bethlehem) in order to avoid Herod. stayed in Egypt a while, feared to return to Judea after Herod's death, and so settled in Galilee (Nazareth).
Luke 1:26-27, 2:1,4-5,39-40 Joseph was an original resident of Galilee (Nazareth) at the time of his marriage. only briefly visited Judea (Bethlehem) to register for the census, and returned peacefully to Galilee after fulfilling ritual prescriptions concerning childbirth
John 3:13 Jesus said that no man but himself has ever ascended to heaven.
II Kings 2:11 Elijah ascended to heaven in a whirlwind.
Genesis 5:24: Hebrews 11:5 Enoch was taken bodily into Heaven.
Moses' Mass Murder
"Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31:16-18)
Comment
Moses commands the murder of approximately 100,000 young males and, roughly, 68,000 helpless women.
Consider women and children of your own family: No matter how sick they may lay, or how they may go against a religion, how would you feel if a man named Moses, claiming to speak for God, sent men into your house and hacked to pieces the women and male children? Also, how would you react if they spotted a female child, dragged her off with them to do as they please with her? Note that these innocent virgins served for their own sexual pleasures.
Midian, the land of the Midianites, did not reside in an area regarded as a natural enemy of Israel for centuries, and in fact lay hundreds of miles away from the Israelite encampment. Moses, himself, had lived in Midian as fugitive after committing his first murder. In short, Midian presented no threat to God's "Chosen People."
Genesis 6:4 The Nephilim (Giants) lived on earth prior to the Flood.
Genesis 7:23 Only Noah and his family, and the animals on the Ark, survived the Flood.
Numbers 13:33 Long after the Flood, the Nephilim (Giants) still lived.
Genesis 9:3-4 God makes a covenant with Noah: Mankind will be permitted to eat the flesh of any living creature, as long as the blood is drained.
Deuteronomy 14:7-20 God goes back on his word.
Exodus 4:11 God admitted He is the cause of blindness. deafness. dumbness.
Isaiah 53:2 It is sometimes God's will to crush people or to cause them to suffer.
Lamentations 3:33 Yet, God does not willingly cause grief or affliction.
Genesis 15:13.16 God fortold the enslavement of the descendants of Abram (Abraham). but said they would return in the "fourth generation".
The return actually occured in the fifth generation--or the sixth. if you wish to count Abraham. The generations were: 1. Abraham: 2. Isaac (Gen 21:3): 3. Levi (Ex 1:3); 4. Kohath (Ex 6:16); 5. Aram (Ex 6:18): 6. Moses (Ex 6:20).
Genesis 11:26.32 Terah lived 135 years after begetting Abraham. Acts 7:4
Abraham departed Haran when his father (Terah) was dead. Genesis 12:4
Abraham was 75 years old when he departed Haran. Thus, after living 135 years. Abraham was only 75 years old!
(In the KJ version:)
Genesis 23:1 God tempted Abraham.
James 1:13 God tempts no one.
Exodus 3:10. 4:19-23 God sent Moses to Egypt to speak to Pharaoh.
Exodus 4:24-26 God immediately and arbitrarily attempted to kill Moses before Moses could carry out the mission. No explanation provided.
Exodus 6:2-3 God informed Moses that previousiy His name (Jehovah) had been unknown even to the patriarchs. such as Abraham. Isaac and Jacob.
Genesis 4:26 long before this. men began to call on the name of the Lord, "Jehovah".
Genesis 22:14 Abraham named a place Jehovah-jireh. "The Lord will provide."
Note: In each passage in the Pentateuch manuscripts. the name given is Yod-He-Vau-He, YHVH. generally interpreted as "Yahweh", "Yehovah" or "Jehovah".
Exodus 20:4 Image-making forbidden.
Exodus 25:18 Commanded.
Numbers 23:19: Titus 1:2 God cannot lie.
I Kings 22:20-30: II Chronicles 18:19-22 God deliberately sent a "lying spirit" into the mouth of Ahab's prophets.
II Thessalonians 2:11-12 God sends delusions on people to make them believe false things and be damned.
Ezekiel 13:9. 14:9 The Lord deceives prophets (puts false words into their mouths) in order to get rid of them.
Who inscribed the Ten Commandments on the second set of stone tablets?
Deuteronomy 10:1-2.4 God inscribed them.
Exodus 34:27-28 God dictated whiie Moses inscribed them.
II Kings 9:6-9, 10:11,30 The Lord commanded Jehu to destroy the house of Ahab. Jehu obeyed. destroying everyone in the city of #ezreei who was of the house of Ahab, including friends and priests. God commended him for these actions.
Hosea 1:4 God promises to punish the House of Jehu for the massacre.
John 1:18, 6:46: I John 4:12 No one has ever seen God.
Exodus 33:11 God says no man will ever see His face and live. But ... the Lord appeared to Abraham
(Gen 18:1#. Jacob saw God face-to-face (Gen 32:30). Moses and the Elders gazed upon God (Exodus 24:9-11). God spoke to Moses face-to-face (Exodus 33:11: Deut 34:10). God allowed Moses to see his "back parts" (Exodus 33:22-23). Isaiah saw God in a vision (Isaiah 6:1,5). Ezekiel also saw God in a vision and described Him in some detail (Ezekiel 1:27-28). Amos saw God (Amos 7:7).
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Name: Pat •
Date: 03/06/07 15:40 |
A: Spiritwomanwrote:
Without hurting your feelings, I must say that you come off as a very confused individual.
Life is not that complicated.
And if this does not convince you, then keep in mind that we are talking about the HEBREW G_D, not the Ethiopian, Greek, Roman, Assyrian, Egyptian G_D.
Does this make it easier for your to discern?
Spirit woman:
I am far from being confused.
As an ex Catholic /Protestant but still believing in a very Powerful God Force I must say that I doublt that the biblical God is the real God.
I have read the bible a lot and there are a lot of contradictions.
If there is a real God that created this planet this whole universe and others why would he be so mean, cruel and full of contradictions.
This biblical God seems to human to me.
Something is very wrong there. Just open up your King James version or any other in the bible there are a lot of things to question my friend.
I think that I am less confused than what the bible projects in confusion.
God and bible confusion?
FAILED PROPHECIES and or contradictions
Job 1:6-12 Satan saw God.
III John 1:11 Those who have seen God do not do evil
Hosea 13:16 Because Samaria rebelled against God, God ordained that its pregnant women will be ripped open and innocent children dashed to the ground.
Jeremiah 19:9 God intentionally forces people into acts of cannibalism. The victims are innocent children.
Exodus 32:14 God does evil.
Isaiah 45:7 God creates evil.
Jeremiah 26:3 God inflicts evil.
Amos 3:6 God causes evil.
Lamentations 3:38 Evil comes from the mouth of God.
Mark 4:11-12 Jesus deliberately spoke in parables in order to exclude some people from being converted and being forgiven their sins.
See also: John 12:39-40: Isaiah 6:10.
Matthew 5:31-39 Jesus admitted that scripture contains errors. He disagreed with several specific teachings from the Old Testament, in particular Deut 24:1, Ex 21:24, Lev 24:20. Deut 19:21.
John 14:12 Jesus declared that anyone who believes in him will perform the same miracles and greater miracles than He performed. (Thus, anyone who does not perform greater miracles is, by Jesus's own words, an unbeliever.)
Matthew 5:33-37 The Bible prohibits oaths or vows in any form, even oaths before God or oaths on the Bible.
Matthew 10:34-36 Jesus’ purpose on earth was not to bring peace, but conflict, strife, discord.
Luke 12:49,51 Jesus came to spread fire on the earth, and to cause not peace. but division.
Luke 22:3 Jesus commanded his followers to procure swords.
Luke 7:36-50 By Jesus' own words, a woman was saved by her faith even before the crucifixion. Thus the crucifixion was not absolutely necessary for salvation.
Luke 15:7 A verse that implies that some people need no repentance.
Luke 14:26 Jesus demanded that his disciples hate their parents.
Matthew 10:35-36 Jesus said he came to turn children against their parents.
Matthew 24:29: Revelation 6:13 In the days of the Apocalypse. the stars will fall from the sky and land on the earth like "figs". In other words, the stars are small and subject to earthly gravity.
Matthew 27:52-53 At the moment of Jesus' death, many of the Jewish saints or patriarchs rose from the dead. They waited in their tombs until after Jesus' resurrection, three days later, then came forth and wandered about Jerusalem. The resurrection of the Jewish saints is easily the most spectacular miracle in Jesus' career, yet one hears very little of it. Not a word of it appears in the other gospels!
Genesis 15:18 God promised Abram (Abraham) that his descendants. the Jews, would receive all the land from the River of Egypt (the Nile) to the river Euphrates.
Joshua 1:3-4 Israelite territory will extend as far as the Euphrates. But Israelite territory has never extended to the Euphrates, and it is very doubtful that it ever even extended to the Nile.
Genesis 17:3.8 God gave the whole land of Canaan to Abraham and his descendants, to inhabit forever. (See also: Gen 13:15, Ex 32:13.) Canaan was the land west of the Jordan and the Dead Sea, between those waters and the Mediterranean. the general region later called Palestine. As a matter of history. the Jews did not receive all of Canaan for an everlasting possession. Revolts of the Jews against Rome in 132-135 AD led to their dispersal throughout the world. For eighteen centuries, Turkish, Persian and Arabic peoples occupied Palestine. The Jews began to return in significant numbers only in 1921, shortly before the creation of the modern state of Israel in 1948.
See Acts 7:5 and Hebrews 11:13, which candidly admit that God's promise or prophecy, in this case. failed.
Psalms 89:3-4 God promised David this his royal line and throne would last through "all generations".
Psalms 89:35-37 Again, God promised that David's royal throne will last as long as the sun and the moon. Yet, after Zedekiah, there was no Davidic king for 450 years. The royal line was finally restored with Aristobulus, of the Hasmonean dynasty, but eventually that ended also. According to New Testament prophecy, Jesus will receive the throne of David and reign forever (Luke 1:32-33). but even so. the royal line has a very evident break and the prophecy has failed.
Jeremiah 9:11 A prophecy that Jerusalem and the cities of Judah will become heaps of ruins, desolate, without inhabitants. Neither Jerusalem nor Judah have ever been desolate and uninhabited for any period. (The New Testament predicts that Jerusalem will be an eternal city.)
Jeremiah 42:17 The Jews who returned to live in Egypt will all die by the sword, by famine or by pestilence: none will survive. But many Jews have lived in Egypt and died peaceful deaths. Many live there today. In fact. in Alexandria the Jews established a great cultural center in the first century A.D.
Jeremiah 49:33 Hazor, an ancient city of Israel, will become a dwelling place for jackals (or dragons. KJ version). and no one will live there, forever. But people have never stopped living in the city of Hazor. and continue to do so today.
Genesis 17:3.8 God gave the whole land of Canaan to Abraham and his descendants, to inhabit forever. (See also: Gen 13:15, Ex 32:13.) Canaan was the land west of the Jordan and the Dead Sea, between those waters and the Mediterranean. the general region later called Palestine. As a matter of history. the Jews did not receive all of Canaan for an everlasting possession. Revolts of the Jews against Rome in 132-135 AD led to their dispersal throughout the world. For eighteen centuries, Turkish, Persian and Arabic peoples occupied Palestine. The Jews began to return in significant numbers only in 1921, shortly before the creation of the modern state of Israel in 1948.
Wouldn' you say the bible is very confusing?
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Name: SpiritWoman •
Date: 03/07/07 20:45 |
A: OK Pat,
You are about where I was in my walk when I was in my teens. Born Roman Catholic American, studied Protestant for awhile but they too were spiritually void, Baptist (Aweful experince by the way as the Pastor Beat his wife and children and even ordered his congregations to divorce and remarry, and just plain talked to much about the devil, as He was more important then Jesus). I could never see Jesus face in these institutions.
I have seen Jesus Spirit in every blade of grass since I can remember. I beleive He is with me as I am with Him, but never in the face of a Church official so what does the faithful do?
Blindly Follow the Blind?
I study alone.
And do not limit my path to Spirit to the Cannon or it's promoters.
The problem with people that only study the religious dogma of Abraham, refuse to consider all other forms of Spiritual awareness around the world even though they profess the Hebrew G_D is the True G_D and Created ALL. They limit His very powers by giving it an origin in the Hebrew tribe.
I find it pretty amazing how the bible talks of fruitful lands, wandering in the wilderness, the land of milk and honey. Sounds alot like the North American Continent before the Invasion of Christians. Where people lived in harmony with the earth and It's Spirit, these puritans and Christian Gold seekers and land grubbers committed genocide, stole these peoples identities and replaced their spituality with religious superstition and dogma to benefit themselves.
These same people constantly use The Force of thier Religion to commit Heiness crimes against humanity and force away freedoms both from human and animals alike.
They have no idea what it is to walk in harmony as Jesus taught.
If the world as we know it truly does come to an end, these will be the people that force it's cause.
As everything seems to wither into dust or deserts people are murdered and enslaved for prophet, where these religions developed and flourished so does it carry into the lands in which they inhabit.
The only good thing that was ever written about these people was Jesus teachings.
I for one truly hope He existed, was a true human being and reveals the idolatry of flesh worshipping religions all over again both with future discoveries of ancient writings and with His Bones.
Blessings.
SW
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Name: hbic3 •
Date: 03/08/07 11:02 |
A: The actor didn't look like Jesus? And you know this because you knew Jesus personally? You have a photograph of you and he on vactation at the Grand Canyon and one of him doing the Bunny Hop dance at your sister's wedding?
What an odd statement to make.
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Name: Inner Spirit •
Date: 03/20/07 6:40 |
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A: How are we even to know what he looks like? They did not have Polarods back them or other handy devices called cameras?
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Name: CanuckChick •
Date: 03/20/07 14:10 |
A: Pat: You have posted the supposed inaccuracies and contradictions found in the bible, several times in this forum. I found the website where these (over 200) "contradictions" are listed. Hopefully, you researched their points to ensure their validity, before you copied and pasted them.
Please look at the "Different Body???" post where I have refuted the first ten of your points. I will continue to research as time permits.
You make exceedingly long posts, which at first are somewhat intimidating. Upon doing a little research, one realizes that there is no substance to your claims - just alot of words.
Hopefully, your mind is open to the notion that you just might be wrong about some things, and your motive is an honest search for the truth.
Peace,
CC
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Name: Nate Spain •
Date: 03/20/07 16:54 |
A: " He made him look like a Jew would have looked like at that time period and region of the country he was from"
Uh...you mean...like this:
http://www.world-crisis.com-/images/uploads/ethiopian_jews_1.jpg-
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Name: jean •
Date: 03/20/07 18:35 |
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A: Does anyone know what Jesus really looked like? We always see him as a very handsome man, but what if he was short and fat?
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Name: Delyn •
Date: 03/21/07 12:17 |
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A: About the un-charismatic actor picked to play Jesus: They couldn't have picked a more bumbling boob looking actor to play Jesus to get their message across of what they wanted. Meanwhile they picked a very attractive and smart looking Mary to be "their" real master. While the character of Jesus didn't have to look like a male model, they could have picked someone with some charisma and someone who acted like he was smart.
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Name: Delyn •
Date: 03/21/07 12:19 |
A: abefroman, where do you get your information on the Catholic Church?
The Catholic Church has not said the shroud is a fake. Matter of fact, you should check out www.shroudstory.com to find the latest in scientific evidence. It is amazing.
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Name: Pat •
Date: 03/21/07 15:15 |
A: spritwoman wrote:
So, that being said, and the fact that we all know how a baby is conceived as it is now 2007 and not 2000 years ago, can't you discern fact from fiction.
Pat wrote:
I can my dear lady and perhaps see further than your nose.
Artificial procreation or fertilization is done by different technical procedures and methods for obtaining a human conception in a manner other than the sexual union of man and woman.
This Spiritwoman was not achievable 2000 years ago till 1987 when this scientific knowledge brought forth the fertilization of an ovum in a test tube (in vitro fertilization) and artificial insemination through transfer into the woman's genital tracts of previously collected sperm.
Since then artificial insemination is a solution when childlessness is because of the man's infertility or his inability to deposit semen into the vagina.
In today world we have surrogate mothers carrying fetuses from eggs and sperms of different people all together
We have the capability of doing Reproductive human Cloning without the sperm of a male in the first place.
Bioengineering my dear lady is fact and far from fiction. And the Gods back then knew how to bioenginer.
Within 10 years we will be able to have children a la carte meaning we will be able to choose the sex, color of hair and mental tendencies and many other things we would like to have incorporated in them before their birth.
This knowledge was not know to human beings and primitive man 2000 years ago. However I think that Yahweh God was using that science but this was incomprehensible to the common mortal man. Yahweh was an alien playing God and using pure science.
Jesus conception Adam and Eve was pure scientific bioengineering. Moses was clone back to life and he reappeared hundred of years later after his death with Elijah. Both were chatting with Jesus on the mountain concerning Jesus crucifixion and death and in the days to come.
Ezekiel watches God / alien / Yahweh bring dead bones back to life with the scientific tools that he could not describe. A whole army came back to life from dead bones.
There are more facts than fiction in the bible however back then and the people that wrote and recopied the bible did not have the technology to understand what was going on.
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Name: Pat •
Date: 03/22/07 13:44 |
A: Spirit woman:
Sarah sterile finally gives birth to Isaac when she is in her eighties with the help of God. We know that all of the tribes of Israel descend from him. Was Sarah's destiny just to be wife and mother of patriarchs, or is her role much greater?
Now this was great bioengineering by Yahweh.
After all we all know what to be sterile means. Sarah had no eggs because of her age. However men can still be fertile at a very later age.
So what did god do?
He simply took Abraham sperm to fecundate an egg from some other female and this upcoming fetus was reinserted it to Sarah.
Perhaps just with one of her cell and Abram sperm Yahweh God/alien was able to create Isaac in a petri dish through in vitro fertilization.
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Name: Llywelyn •
Date: 04/07/07 0:47 |
A: Are you saying that filmakers should had hired an American Jesus, with blond hair and blue eyes?
The Jesus in the movie looks like a Jewish ordinairy man, just like he was, probably.
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