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Name: mysterian •
Title: Chevron •
Date posted: 02/27/07 14:00
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Q: Any other places in Israel where the symbol has been found?
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Name: Xare •
Date: 02/27/07 23:00 |
A: It looks like a masonic Compass to me, their phallic symbol. At the very top there seems to be a tip / handle.
A real Chevron does not have this feature.
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Name: SpiritWoman •
Date: 02/28/07 13:21 |
A: The Chevron and most symbols that evolved out of the source or encoded to hide it's source are clearly depicted in one of the wonders of the world. Why is it so hard to see? It is the Giza Pyramid and it's ritual rising of the Sun G_D through and above it's apex? The doorway to the other world. The reflection of the all seeing eye/life giving breath to the world and it's creatures. The source.
Most should ask themselves if the Pyramids were built and used during Moses lifetime, as he was the founder of the Jewish religion and the one who led the Hebrews out of Egypt. He is also the father of the Hebrew religion. Which if studied and compared very closely you will see that ancient Egyptian religion has many simularities.
Knowing what we know now about ancient Egyptian religion, where Moses was raised and educated, it is pretty clear where he got his ideas about his G_D. And why he would covet his own Kingdom.
Peace
SW
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Name: bella •
Date: 03/01/07 5:05 |
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A: I think it looks astoundingly cool and beautiful, that's for sure, but...was this carved at that very moment to have a specific meaning? I think not, therefore, I think it says a lot about the owners of that burial space rather than who was placed in it because the family of Jesus more than likely did not own it.
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Name: osirius608 •
Date: 03/01/07 20:01 |
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A: SpiritWoman realizes that all of the "religions" of the world originated from the same land that we ALL originate from...why is it so hard for people to just WAKE UP?!
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Name: KRS •
Date: 03/05/07 5:14 |
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A: Actually, the Chevron is probably a problem for their case, in general. The Chevron was never used as by any Christian group in the first or second century, and I doubt it was used by any other first century Jewish groups, due to its connection to sun deities. There are a few third century instances of the all seeing eye in the catacombs, but even that is extremely rare because of the Pagan connotations associated with the symbol.
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Name: haniel_559 •
Date: 03/05/07 5:21 |
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A: Looked like a protoype for an 'eye in the triangle' symbol...
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Name: SpiritWoman •
Date: 03/05/07 13:53 |
A: Greetings KRS,
If you read your bible you will find that Moses was raised by the Egyptians, so why would it be so hard to see the connection?
If find it a bit puzzling that you or anyone else cannot see it. It clearly represented as the all seeing Eye of G_D just as it has remained for thousands of years.
If it were a Roman or Greek symbol then I would question it's relationship, but Egyptian? Nope.
Peace
SW
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Name: KRS •
Date: 03/05/07 15:13 |
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A: It doesn't matter wether it was Egyptian or Greecian, it was still considered a pagan symbol by first and second century Jewish and Christian sources, and it wasn't used by either group at this time period. The Chevron is a mark of a solar deity in Egyptian religious practices.
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Name: Mark-Tao •
Date: 03/05/07 15:22 |
A: This was a long time before it was known that the earth is round. The only natural obejects that looked round were the sun and, at least once a month, the moon. The wheel had been invented, so the wheel could be a possible metaphore for the circle.
It could be the sun inside a pyramid. It could also be a wheel, representing the eternal soul - life after death. Maby the lines above it represent a pyramid, maybe they act like an arrow pointing toward heaven. The greeks had an eye symbol they put on the bows of their ships. It was a simple cirlce with a dot in the center.
As for the Jewish religion being inspired by Egyptian beliefs, there are many similarities between the two religious systems, monotheism being the biggest difference. Monotheism is the most revolutionary concept in the Jewish religion. It's why all monotheistic faiths can be traced to the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob.
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Name: Dreammaiden1 •
Date: 03/05/07 16:17 |
A: I wonder if the answer is more likely to be found in the old Testament in Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Could the chevron represent a tent and the circle earth ? Just a suggestion?
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Name: KRS •
Date: 03/05/07 17:24 |
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A: It could represent a lot of things. The problem is, without some group that used the symbol from which we can historically and objectively compare it to, we have know way of doing anything but speculating. There is nothing in first or second century Christian or Jewish records to provide a factual basis for any of this analysis.
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Name: Dreammaiden1 •
Date: 03/05/07 21:28 |
A: If you look at the transliterated Greek word 'ohel Strong's Number: 0168 which means tent or The sacred tent of Jehovah (the tabernacle). The one place where God's presence was felt the most.
I searched for the word circle in the bible it appears only 5 times Strong's Number: 02329
Septuagint (LXX) meaning of word circle
# circle, circuit, compass
# (BDB) vault (of the heavens)
www.bibleandscience.com one of the interpetationsis the following:
It seems that the "circle of the sea" is where the sky and sea meet at the horizon; the "circle of the earth" is where the sky and earth meet at the horizon and arching above; and the "circle of heaven" begins where the horizon is and arching above. The "foundations of heaven" are where the sky meets the earth at the horizon.
I do not think the followers of Jesus or his family at the time of his death would use old religious symbols of Egypt of false Gods to show the place where our true Savior bones would lay.
It is only my opinion . Hope I gave you some food for thought.
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Name: KRS •
Date: 03/05/07 22:15 |
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A: yeah, but its still off point. You can speculate all you want, but until you find some additional occurances of the symbol in a Christian or Jewish context (some of which would provide material clues to the meaning) you still have nothing that is useless. You must have independant corroboration of this kind of symbol being used by Jews, Christians or somebody in the relevant time period.
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Name: anne •
Date: 03/06/07 1:28 |
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A: Not sure... but "what is the symbol for "i am"?????
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Name: anne •
Date: 03/06/07 1:33 |
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A: relax all: for the Son of man is simple.........not related to stars or compesses, or times in the universe just truth---relax!!!!!!
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Name: Carolyn Stine •
Date: 03/06/07 3:04 |
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A: The chevron is the symbol for God, and the circle underneath refers to the son, i.e., the Son of God. The chevron is masculine and the opposite, the "v" represents the feminine. When I saw this on the tomb, I knew that this is a major find. More research needs to be done. Simcha made one mistake - he should have stuck more strictly to the facts. If he had done that, the program would not have had so much criticism.
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Name: Peter Cripps •
Date: 03/06/07 5:20 |
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A: If Jesus spent his formative years living in Egypt, I don't think it's far fetched to search for a meaning for the tomb symbol in ancient Egyptian lore.
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Name: drg3750 •
Date: 03/06/07 16:14 |
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A: The mysterious symbol above the tomb and on at least one of the ossuaries seems very significant. If this is indeed the family tomb of Jesus, it makes me wonder whether Jesus was not a Jewish gnostic teacher. The symbol may have been borrowed from Egyptian sources. It appears associated with the All-Seeing Eye of God, but it also may symbolize the resurrection. The early gospel of Thomas seems to portray Jesus as being very gnostic in his teaching, teaching a secret wisdom. This chevron symbol may have been associated with that secret wisdom.
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Name: KRS •
Date: 03/07/07 3:43 |
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A: The problem is that the evidence indicates that Christian gnosticism didn't originate quite this early, so you would have to prove an early gnosticism independant of the tomb itself to make this connection. This may indicate that its a gnostic site of some type, but if it is, its probably to late to actually be the remains of Jesus, all things being considered.
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Name: KRS •
Date: 03/07/07 3:44 |
A: Peter,
Actually, it is a bit far fetched, in that Egyptian Jews did not adopt these kinds of symbols any more than Jews in Palestine.
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Name: KRS •
Date: 03/07/07 3:50 |
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A: OK, to put this in a context people will understand. A first century Jew using the symbol of an Egyptian solar deity would be much akin to a modern day Jew wearing a swastika (though for different reasons). It represented Paganism, and would have led to the community being ostracized. Its highly unlikely. Its possible the Chevron is later, its possible that this entire complex is a later day gnostic site, its possible that it represents something else that we simply can't identify at this time, but its unlikely that first century Jews or first century Christians would use the Egyptian pyramid with the Eye.
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Name: Historian •
Date: 03/07/07 16:58 |
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A: The "chevron" is a common gravesite symbol meaning "heaven", or perhaps "in heaven". As a triangle, the horizontal line represents the earth. The circle represents neverending love, or perhaps something like "always in our hearts". It isn't actually mysterious. These are not Masonic symbols. It sure makes lively debate, though, doesn't it?
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Name: Batz •
Date: 03/07/07 17:38 |
A: A very interesting documentary very well told. Like everyone I’m intrigued by the symbols carved over the door of the tomb.
A) It appears to be a variation of the all-seeing eye, a variation on the Egyptian Eye of Horus. The Eye of Horus, originally the Eye of Ra, symbolized royal power. The ancients believed this symbol of indestructibility would assist in rebirth.
B) Greek inscriptions were found in the tomb and on the ossuaries. If you read the carvings over the door as such you have lambda omnicron.
Lambda is the Greek equivalent of Lamedh, the twelfth letter in many Semitic abjads, including Phoenician, Aramaic, Hebrew and Arabic alphabet. It has a numerical value of 30.
Lamedh is believed to derive from a pictogram of an ox goad or cattle prod. Some have suggested a shepherd's staff.
Omicron is the Greek equivalent of Ayin the sixteenth letter in many Semitic abjads, including Phoenician, Aramaic, Hebrew and Arabic.
The letter name is derived from West Semitic pictogram for "eye". It has a numerical value of 70.
Put them together what do you get? All-seeing shepherd?
Add them and they total 100. In Greek that’s Rho, which means ‘head’ and in Hebrew Koph ‘Eye of the Needle.’
C) Seen as symbols
The chevron is an ancient symbol for male.
The circle is an ancient and universal symbol of unity, wholeness, infinity, the goddess, and female power. To earth-centered religions throughout history as well as to many contemporary pagans, it represents the feminine spirit or force, the cosmos or a spiritualized Mother Earth, and a sacred space.
But it that what they mean here? Hard to say...
D) And strangely enough… These symbols have their equivalent in the Tarot de Marseille. Lambda (30) translates as Le Pendu, the Hanged Man. Omicron (70) is La Maison Dieu, House of God. Together they add up to (100) Le soleil. The sun… the light?
All quite fascinating and good for a lot of discussion in coffee shops and on the net. Why not just send a team of archeologists to excavate?
Shouldn’t be too hard to find a broadcaster.
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Name: KRS •
Date: 03/07/07 18:55 |
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A: Historian, can you substatiate that from extant sources? I've never seen any reference to it in my own works among either Jews or Christians.
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Name: Mog Rhod •
Date: 03/07/07 21:37 |
A: Upturned Fish, to Zen Circle.
Also the ICTHYS Fish is very much the last segment of the kundalini in the head (eastern stuff).
My complete explanation of much of this is in my blog
http://blog.myspace.com/mogrhod
Check out last two entries, and I include Menorah, Burning Bush, Kundalini stuff as well as the fish.
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Name: lightwoman •
Date: 03/07/07 22:43 |
A: KRS said: "A first century Jew using the symbol of an Egyptian solar deity would be much akin to a modern day Jew wearing a swastika (though for different reasons). It represented Paganism, and would have led to the community being ostracized. Its highly unlikely. Its possible the Chevron is later, its possible that this entire complex is a later day gnostic site, its possible that it represents something else that we simply can't identify at this time, but its unlikely that first century Jews or first century Christians would use the Egyptian pyramid with the Eye."
This only holds true when one is speaking of 1st century Jews or Christians IN GENERAL. Yeshua was hardly a typical or average Jew of his time. He was reforming the belief-system that had become bogged down in rules and rituals that continued the sense of man's separation from God, and he had already risked blasphemy by referring to his higher Self (inner connection to God/Father/Source) as "I AM" and referring to Psalms teaching us all that "Ye are gods." He was put to death for his "blasphemous" teachings! So, yeah, why wouldn't such a "blasphemous" symbol be carved over his tomb, even if in a secret code to his followers?
From my studies, and a deeper inner knowing, I believe Yeshua was a mystery school teacher trying to open humanity's consciousness to the concept that we are multi-dimensional, spiritual beings having a temporary physical 3-D experience in human bodies (not easy to comprehend in the language of the day, to be sure) - and that we've forgotten our true nature and connection with God/Source within us (not outside of us!) - that we all are sons and daughters of God. To the crowds he spoke in parables - the more esoteric meanings of which were lost on those with closed consciousness. When he said, "Those with ears to hear, listen!" he was referring to spiritual ears, urging people to stretch and sense beyond the 5 physical senses and comprehend - know - truth on a much deeper, metaphysical level. To his inner circle, after the crowds were gone, he imparted more esoteric teachings, most of which were not written in the Gospels for the masses, probably because they were beyond their ken and would have been considered blasphemous by those same closed-minded religious leaders. I believe many of Yeshua's own apostles and disciples could not quite grasp what he was teaching, although Mariamne did, and why she was so close to him (if not married to him), but because of the non-status of women in that time and culture, after Yeshua's death, Mariamne was soon elbowed out by the male apostles and many of the secret teachings were never thoroughly understood and lost over time, and the easier to digest "baby food" of Yeshua's teachings were streamlined and molded into a new religion for the masses.
I believe Yeshua was a gnostic (even though the so-called Gnostic Christian sects arose later - perhaps Yeshua was ahead of them, but they were on the right track!). He was teaching gnosis - inner knowing - of man's true nature (as a reformation of Judaism) and I do not find it at all unreasonable that the chevron and circle symbol was carved over the tomb as a sign of the all-seeing eye of God and/or of ascension - for all humans, made in the likeness of God/Source as Spirit, are eternal and cannot die - only the flesh and bones are left behind. He had succeeded in unifying his divine Self with his human self while he lived among us, and with his ascension he proved our nature as Spirit, that there is no real death, and by his example - as a MAN who embodied his DIVINITY while on Earth - taught us that we can all aspire to achieve that same level he demonstrated - Christ-consciousness.
The chevron and circle symbol may not have been typical of the time and place - but neither was Yeshua. That his teachings have lasted 2000 years in one form or another is proof that he was anything but typical. Perhaps the symbol, there for us to find 2000 years later when we are ready for it, is a sign to WAKE UP and remember who we really are - glorious sons and daughters of God.
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Name: CAT •
Date: 03/08/07 23:17 |
A: A clue to this mysterious secret of the symbolic Chevron - Enoch!
(The Enoch in the line of Seth)...
Good day all.
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Name: ForbiddenKnowledge33 •
Date: 03/11/07 5:27 |
A: It transcends this sphere.
ForbiddenKnowledge33
Pre-Diluvian Order Of the Chevron
Lodge #1950
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Name: CAT •
Date: 03/12/07 14:17 |
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A: Tekun Olam!
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Name: Beth •
Date: 03/13/07 1:52 |
A: What is Tekun Olam?
Going back to the tent (tabernacle) idea--what about the teachings of Jesus on the "kingdom of G-d within you" ? Could it represnt a "true worship" in the sense of G-d's spirit dwelling within the tabernacle of your body as opposed to the community temple?
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Name: lightwoman •
Date: 03/13/07 4:51 |
A: Beth, great insight! You may be onto something.
This is a kind of funny synchronicity. I was flipping thru channels this evening and came across "Avatar: The Last Airbender" and in the scene I chanced upon, Sokka was having a symbol finger-painted on his forehead - it was the chevron with the dot under it! And the master who painted it on him said it was for "wisdom."
The all-seeing intuitive (3rd) eye, or wisdom that comes from within - from Spirit/God.
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