Name:sadinoel •
Title: Even Jews Think it's Bogus •
Date posted: 03/09/07 16:43
Q: LOL
Nothing New in Bogus Jesus Tomb Movie
"There is no such thing as bad publicity" goes the trusted Hollywood adage. Well the Jesus Family Tomb documentary is getting panned in public and it hasn't even aired.
National Geographic weighs in with a series of scholarly slams at the film.
"Their movie is not serious," Amos Kloner, the Bar Ilan University professor who led the excavation in the 1980s, told National Geographic News.
"They [say they] are 'discovering' things. But they haven't discovered anything. They haven't found anything. Everything had already been published.
"And there is no basis on which to make a story out of this or to identify this as the family of Jesus."
[Worse yet - it doesn't even say Jesus on the ossuary:]
Stephen Pfann, president of Jerusalem's University of the Holy Land and an expert in Semitic languages, appears in The Lost Tomb of Jesus.
Pfann told National Geographic News that he also has doubts about the movie's claims.
"I don't think it says Yehoshua [Jesus]. It says Hanun or something," Pfann said, after viewing high-resolution images of the ossuary inscription in question.
Name:sadinoel •
Date: 03/09/07 16:44
A: Oh yeah that pesky National Geographic! Discovery Channel and Simcha are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much more credible than the silly Natioinal Geographic. lmao
Name:hbic3 •
Date: 03/09/07 16:57
A: That's not saying anything as to it's validity or not. Of course the Jews would say it's bogus, they don't even generally believe he existed. The general opinion is that they have no opinion.
Name:hannah •
Date: 03/09/07 19:45
A: hbic3 - I am not sure where you have received your information for your post. However, to set the record straight (since often no one ASKS the Jews for their opinions on Christian theology), here is the lowdown from a Jewish woman who has been taught in Orthodox Jewish schools and under the direction of many learned, open-minded Rabbis.
Most observant Jews do indeed believe the Jesus existed (although this is respectfully inconsequential to our own theology). We believe he was a physical man, a learned and thoughtful individual who did much good to motivate those who needed a valid role model. Many learned Jews would even accept that he was a great Rabbi who taught Jewish fundamental beliefs to those interested in learning from a charismatic teacher.
So I would say that your commentary is a bit harsh - it isn't that Jews have no opinion; it is always fascinating to learn more about that time in the land of Israel from where we came! It would fascinate me to learn more about Jesus and his family (whoever they were) from any scientific source or evidence since personally I do not believe in the validity of the gospels or their stories as fact.
And to address your last statement, the Jewish people as a whole catch more than enough flack for our opinions on things that do concern our core beliefs and our culture to want to regularly chime in on a topic so hotly debated between Christian sects.
Name:Red •
Date: 03/09/07 19:54
A: An EXPERT in semitic languages and all he can say is
"I DONT THINK it says Yehoshua. It says Hanun OR SOMETHING" ??
Jeesh.....
Name:Red •
Date: 03/09/07 19:55
A: Stefan Pfann might want to consider going back to school .... or something.
Name:mark •
Date: 03/10/07 7:26
A: Of course the Jews think the tomb is bogus. Why is that a surprise? They've considered Jesus a bogus messiah for over 2000 yrs. even if they believed it was legitimate they could never acknowledge it as such.
sincerely
mark
Name:hbic3 •
Date: 03/10/07 13:19
A: Hanna,
I don't think it was "harsh" at all, nor do I understand why you would think it was "harsh." At the most, I could grant you "unqualified" ,maybe, but harsh?
I am only speaking about what I was told by Jewish friends of mine and by Jewish classmates in a theology class I took at university. Every one of them has said, at one time or another, in one way or another, that since Jesus doesn't figure in the Jewish faith, his existence is irrelevant.
Historically speaking, they each could concede that he probably did exist, however, theologically speaking, it doesn't make a difference to them whether he did or not, therefore they have no opinion. In fact, one the Jewish students in that class,when asked, being Jewish and knowing what he knew about Jewish Law(that's the subject we were discussing as it pertained to early Christianity), about the historical accuracy of Jesus, his followers, and their activities as they are described in the New Testiment, answered, "I don't care." Now that was a harsh remark. But I wasn't offended. Having already had this discussion with people I knew within my circle of friends and aquaintences, I understood what was meant by it. It wasn't to insult or offended. He was just stating what he felt about the subject.
Nothing I said was, or was intended to be, derogatory towards Judaism or any person who practices Judaism. I apologize if you or anyone else was offended, however, sometimes, when we are so used to having to defend ourselves against those who are stupidly prejudiced against us, we defend ourselves before it's necessary.
