Name:Pat •
Title: Is Jesus the only one resurected in the Bible? •
Date posted: 02/28/07 17:10
Q: During the transfiguration with Jesus who appeared ?
Moses and Elijah appear to everybody there on top of the mountain and both were talking to Jesus a short while before Jesus' Crucifixion.
However let us not forget and remember that Moses had been dead and buried for hundred of years prior to Jesus existence and Moses never entered into Canaan the promise land while bringing the Jews out of Egyptian slavery and the 40 years into the desert..
So there stands Moses resurrected or lets say perhaps cloned back to life taling to Jesus.
And who else is at that same meeting according to historical biblical scriptures?
Elijah who had been taken into an heavenly Godly fiery chariot hundreds of years before and who had never died on earth.
However the biggest claim in amount of resurections in the bible can be found in Ezekiel XXXVII 3/7/8/10 in the King James Bibal
Yahweh biblical God flew ( in Spirit ) to a certain place Ezekiel.
There Ezekiel watched God performed with at lot of scientific knowledge the recreations of flesh and life on the dead bones of an entire Israel army.
Did God do the same with Jesus DNA cells and recreated or cloned him back very fast?
I am sure that after the beating, the wipping, the sword in his flesh and the nails his body was destroyed.
Perhaps a cell contains all the DNA and the memory mechanism of a dead person and one can be recreated.
James Cameron and others did a fantastic thing. They proved that Jesus existed. If Jesus was not spiritualy resurected perhaps him and all of our can be scientificaly recreated?.
Perhpas this is the whole message that life after death exists?
Name:Ananda •
Date: 03/01/07 2:58
A: death chases life away
the birthless forever play
deathless resurrection
is of today
arise and SEE
this moment
yet to BE
three times unbound
Christos found
on standing ground
past-future-present
no longer
a hound
Name:Merovingian •
Date: 03/01/07 11:03
A: Well, yes He was resurrected, but there are several persons taken to heaven....Enoch was one of them.....also Moses....
Name:Pat •
Date: 03/01/07 18:22
A: Merovingian
You are right that Jesus was resurrected, but there are several persons taken to heaven....Enoch was one of them and Moses.
They only difference is that Enoch never died and was buried on earth.
and Enoch went into heaven with a full body in some sorth of vehical as described in the Bible.
Moses died and his body decomposed on earth and yet came back hundreds of years later with a the same cloned body at the transfiguration with Enoch and from a clouded vehicule .
Name:Merovingian •
Date: 03/02/07 7:00
A: "Enoch went into heaven with a full body in some sorth of vehical as described in the Bible."
No, it says that only he was taken...no vehicle...no clouds.
But one of the prophets Ilia (i don,t know his name in english how sounds)
was taken by fire chariot (as is said in the Bible)....
Moses body was taken too...they never saw where he died...in fact there is only one sentence about this...
"{Moses died and his body decomposed on earth and yet came back hundreds of years later with a the same cloned body at the transfiguration with Enoch and from a clouded vehicule"
well.....I don't know....was this before of the Clone Wars or after......hahahaha :-P
And may the Force be with you!!!!
Name:BlessedChildofGod333 •
Date: 03/02/07 9:11
A: You are looking in the right direction Pat.
I do believe that those who were listed in the Bible as having died and then reported to have revisited the Earth, where indeed in some sort of physical vessel and they do need to be remembered when discussing this subject of Jesus' bones.
But again, I have to say......
I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH THE STATEMENT THAT THIS IS A SERIOUS FIND AND NEEDS FURTHER STUDY ===
BUT BEFORE MAKING BLANKET STATEMENTS ABOUT THE IDENTITY OF THESE REMAINS, DNA NEEDS TO BE ESTABLISHED WITH REGARD TO MATERNITY AND PATERNITY
Name:Merovingian •
Date: 03/02/07 9:40
A: What DNA, man?
With what they'll compare it?
Name:Chris •
Date: 03/02/07 13:11
A: Did Moses' body decompose?
Jud 1:9 But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you."
Name:Pat •
Date: 03/02/07 14:27
A: Merovingian wrote
A: Well, yes He was resurrected, but there are several persons taken to heaven....Enoch was one of them.....also Moses....
Merivingian:
I am sorry to say that Enoch was buried and not resurected.
What Really Happened at Enoch's Translation is the question?
Moses didn't write that Enoch did not die. He wrote "Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him" (Gen. 5:24). Paul records the same event by saying that he "was not found, because God had translated him" (Hebrews 11:5).
Thus the scripture records that Enoch was not found because God took him, or "translated" him. The Bible does not say that Enoch went to heaven when he was translated. Instead it says he was not found.
What does the word "translate" mean?
The original Greek word for "translate" is metatithemi. The primary meaning is to "convey to another place . . . transfer"
The same Greek word is rendered "carried over" in Acts 7:16. In this verse we can read that after Jacob died his body was "carried over"—transported, translated—to Sychem where he was buried! That's what your Bible says! Jacob was transported or translated to the place of burial!
That is why Moses said that God took Enoch. God removed—translated—him so that he was not found. God took Enoch and buried him!
In Deuteronomy 34:6 we read also how God took Moses from the people after which he died and was buried by God. "But no man knoweth his sepulcher unto this day."
God removed Moses—God translated him (transported him )—and he was not found either!
However at the Transfiguration it is recorded that he is resurected by the side of Elijah Jesus and a few apostles.
As far as Elijah is concern we have the following recorded:
The prophet Elisha, who had followed Elijah doggedly, claiming he would never desist from following him, was absolutely shocked.
For, while Elisha was asking for a "double portion" of the spirit of Elijah, ". . . it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and part them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven"! (II Kings 2:11).
Both knew that the LORD was going to take Elijah that day, but we don't know whether or not they knew the means by which he would be taken.
"And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw it, and he cried "My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces."(V12)
What actually took place here in reality and for sure was that the "chariot of fire and horses of fire" came from heaven, and took Elijah to heaven without seeing death,
much as Enoch was taken to heaven ( lifted in to the air transported also. "And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him" (Genesis 5:24) Psalm 68:17 tells us "The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place
What are "Chariots" in the bible
As you know there were no automobiles in Bible times. Then how did people get from one place to another? On horse- back, on camel-back and they rode in chariots horse-drawn vehicles in which the driver usually stands as he goes along.
Chariots were used for general transportation.
Another remarkable example of this use for chariots can be found in II Kings 2:11. Elijah, the great prophet of God, was taken directly up into heaven, rather than having to die. And how did Elijah get to heaven? He was taken up in a chariot! That's where we get the song, "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot".
Chariots were used for military opurposes.
Since armies had no tanks or jeeps, chariots were the best available fighting vehicles. A nation's military strength was measured by how many chariots it had. Solomon's army must have been considered very powerful, for we learn in I Kings 10 that the army of Israel had fourteen hundred chariots!
However the amount of possessed chariots could be a hindrance, if the people began trusting in their weapons instead than looking for God for help, because they would solely rely on their own ability.
David realized the problem in Psalm 20:7 when he said "Some trust in chariots, and some in horses; but we will remember the name of the Lord our God."
In II Kings 6, Elisha and a frantic young man found themselves surrounded by the enemy. The young man was sure they would be killed. Elisha prayed to God and with the help of God’s chariots of fire all along the mountain they won the victory that day!
God's military aircraf's chariots?
In the end we can conclude that Gods chariots in the bible could be used for
Transporting Enoch Moses and Jacob to their buriel resting place.
Transporting Elijah into heaven
As military vehicule and God's tools to fight the enemy.
Name:Pat •
Date: 03/02/07 16:04
A: BlessedChildofGod333 wrote:
I do believe that those who were listed in the Bible as having died and then reported to have revisited the Earth, where indeed in some sort of physical vessel and they do need to be remembered when discussing this subject of Jesus' bones.
BlessedChildofGod333 :
You are very right about establishing the real facts about the DNA before jumping to conclusion.
However because of our scientific achievements since then we could interpret the following.
Jesus is up on a mountain just before his crucifixion and late at night the apostles are awakened from a deep sleep.
There is a bright object overhead and suddenly Jesus turns a radiant white
Moses and Elijah appear out of the object and talk to Jesus about his pending death.
Both are taken back up into the object and a voice (God Voice ) is broadcast from the object.
What cause the change in appearance is a light beam from that glowing object and perhaps a beam that transported back and forth Moses and Elijah.
It is the same light which is called: "brighter than the sun", that Paul speaks of in Acts 22.
It is the same light as when an helicopter shines its search light on the ground while everything turns white.
The same effect is seen in movies and with alien abducted reports.
These types of reports are described in , Matthew 17:1-8; Mark 9:2-8; Luke 9:28-36. John mentions it also it also, John 1:14. 2 Peter 1:16-18. ,Romans 12:2; 2 Corinthians 3:18.
Merovingian wrote:
well.....I don't know....was this before of the Clone Wars or after......hahahaha :-P
And may the Force be with you!!!!
Merovingian:
What is so strange about this? Haven’t we cloned animals and yet 100 years ago we did not even have electricity?
Look around you my fiend everything is pure science with atoms, molecules chemistry in action. Humans, animals vegetation and the cosmos is pure science.
If man can clone do you think that God cannot clone?
2000 years ago the same things were in existence however they did not have the scientific tools to analyze.
I think that people should check out some paintings that are hanging in the biggest museums in the world.
They should goggle ancient artwork a spiritual quest to comprehend classic silvery discs, emanating beams of light
that are seen in many famous Renaissance Era paintings.
Merovingian, you laugh at me about cloning and star wars. Well please look at what was painted back 300, 500, 800 and a thousand 1000 years ago.
Check out the laser beam coming from the craft to the Virgin Mary?
One is a diskshape object This image is by flemish artist Aert De Gelder and is entitled "The Baptism of Christ" It was painted in 1710 and hangs in the Fitzwilliam Musuem, Cambridge. A disk shaped object is shining beams of light down on John the Baptist and Jesus.
How could they get this idea and thougt concept when planes and cars were not even invented.
Check out the UFO with Madonna and child.. Paintings back then were like cameras today. People recorded everything. Check out Baby Jesus linked to a circular space craft.. A picture is a thousand words.
It is mind puzzling.
http://dudeman.net/siriusly/ufo/art.shtml
Name:roy •
Date: 03/04/07 17:27
A: Referring your topic related to James Cameron’s new documentary about Jesus Christ. I describe my ideas as the following;
Jesus was a human being who was created resembling creation as Adam, made as God‘s speacial envoy and word. He was subject to death and resurrection as all other humans at the dooms day.[3:59]
He was not killed or crucified but the scenery was recepted as if he was crucified. In reality, he was never hanged, the person who hanged was resembled to him in the views of the enemy Israelites.[4:157,158]
He was not killed by enemies but survived till the natural death. [19:33]God has taken his life. They were not defeated by the enemies but on the contrary him and his supporter disciples and israelites defeated the enemies.[61:14]
These are the statements written 1430 years ago by Quran. It is believed by heart by billions of muslims, as a prerequisite to be accepted into Islam. Maybe out of bias, or fear of sameness they prefer to ignore what is claimed. It is surprising that modern world is barely aware of this fact or they blind their eyes with superstition. Christ, he disciples and his followers were also muslims who were ordered with salat (prayer) and zekat ( voluntary wealth distribution).
The views above is supported with the related verses of Quran as below. Some of the ideas has been tought by various western writers,which are noted as well.
You may further make your research in english Quran at the link below.
For example ; word of “Christ” I found this link: http://www.kuranmeali.com/arama.asp?kelim-e=Christ&meal=yusufali&sure=hepsi
word- of “Jesus” I found this link:
http://www.kuranmeali.com/arama.asp?ke-lime=jesus&meal=yusufali&sure=hepsi
Sura- - 4 Women (Al-Nesaa')
[4:157] And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - They slew him not nor crucified, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain,
[4:158] Instead, GOD raised him to Him; GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.
[4:159] Everyone among the people of the scripture was required to believe in him before his death. On the Day of Resurrection, he will be a witness against them.
[4:171] O people of the scripture, do not transgress the limits of your religion, and do not say about GOD except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was a messenger of GOD, and His word that He had sent to Mary, and a revelation from Him. Therefore, you shall believe in GOD and His messengers. You shall not say, "Trinity." You shall refrain from this for your own good. GOD is only one god. Be He glorified; He is much too glorious to have a son. To Him belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth. GOD suffices as Lord and Master.
Sura - 19 Mary (Maryam)
[19:33] And peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I get resurrected."
[19:34] That was Jesus, the son of Mary, and this is the truth of this matter, about which they continue to doubt.
[19:35] It does not befit GOD that He begets a son, be He glorified. To have anything done, He simply says to it, "Be," and it is.
[19:36] He also proclaimed, "GOD is my Lord and your Lord; you shall worship Him alone. This is the right path."
*19:36 This is similar to the statement attributed to Jesus in the Gospel of John 20:17.
Sura - 5 The Feast (Al-Ma'edah)
[5:72] Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah himself said, "O Children of Israel, you shall worship GOD; my Lord and your Lord." Anyone who sets up any idol beside GOD, GOD has forbidden Paradise for him, and his destiny is Hell. The wicked have no helpers.
*Look at the sameness of Kuran: Sura - 5 ( The Feast ) Al-Ma'edah and Bible Matta 7:21-23
*5:72-76 In John 20:17, we see that Jesus taught that he was neither God, nor the son of God. Many theologians have concluded, after careful research, that today's Christianity is not the same Christianity taught by Jesus. Two outstanding books on this subject are "The Myth of God Incarnate" (The Westminster Press, Philadelphia, 1977) and The "Mythmaker" (Harper & Row, New York, 1986). On the front jacket of "The Mythmaker" we read the following statement:
" ...Hyam Maccoby presents new arguments to support the view that Paul, not Jesus, was the founder of Christianity....it was Paul alone who created a new religion through his vision of Jesus as a divine Saviour who died to save humanity."
Sura - 3 The Amramites ( Ali-'Imran)
[3:55] Thus, GOD said, "O Jesus, I am terminating your life, raising you to Me, and ridding you of the disbelievers. I will exalt those who follow you above those who disbelieve, till the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is the ultimate destiny of all of you, then I will judge among you regarding your disputes.
[3:59] The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.
[3:60] This is the truth from your Lord; do not harbor any doubts.
Sura - 61 The Column (Al-Suff)
[61:6] Recall that Jesus, son of Mary, said, "O Children of Israel, I am GOD's messenger to you, confirming the Torah and bringing good news of a messenger to come after me whose name will be even more praised (Ahmad)." Then, when he showed them the clear proofs, they said, "This is profound magic."
*Sameness of Sura - 61 The Column (Al-Suff) and Bible İsiah 45:21,22
Psalm 99:9 Timothy 1:17 good news fro sneding another prophet called Ahmad(Hz Mohammad) or Pheraklid (praised)= Ahmad
[61:14] O you who believe, be GOD's supporters, like the disciples of Jesus, son of Mary. When he said to them, "Who are my supporters towards GOD," they said, "We are GOD's supporters." Thus, a group from the Children of Israel believed, and another group disbelieved. We helped those who believed against their enemy, until they won.
Sura - 3 The Amramites ( Ali-'Imran)
[3:51] "GOD is my Lord and your Lord; you shall worship Him alone. This is the right path."
[3:52] When Jesus sensed their disbelief, he said, "Who are my supporters towards GOD?" The disciples said, "We are GOD's supporters; we believe in GOD, and bear witness that we are submitters / muslims."
*3:51 This is precisely what Jesus is quoted to say throughout the New Testament. See for example the Gospel of John 20:17, and the book "Jesus: Myths and Message" by Lisa Spray, Ch. 4 (Universal Unity, Fremont, CA 1992).
Name:bigpundaddy •
Date: 03/05/07 5:16
A: Hence the reasons pagans believe in reincarnation. Why would there be some many spirits and ghosts left on this plane? Explain it?
Name:hbic3 •
Date: 03/09/07 14:38
A: They have "proved" nothing. Nothing they presented was proof. Evidence is not proof. It's evidence and evidence only, and it's PURELY circumstantial, if one can even give it that classification.
Are you asking about resurrection? or are you asking about transfiguration? They are not one in the same thing. Jesus was resurrected before he was transfigured according to Christian tradition. Lazarus is an example of someone from the Bible having been resurrected. But then, that's only according to the version of the Gospel of Mark that made it into the Bible.
Name:Pat •
Date: 03/10/07 13:53
A: hbic3 • Wrote:
Are you asking about resurrection? or are you asking about transfiguration? They are not one in the same thing. Jesus was resurrected before he was transfigured according to Christian tradition.
Pat wrote:
You are wrong. The transfiguration happened a few days before Jesus Crucifixion.
Jesus and some of his apostles went on top of a mountain. There during the night Moses and Elijah ( both of them had existed hundreds of years before Jesus's birth on earth )appeared and both were talking about Jesus up coming death this before Jesus' Crucifixion. Jesus had not been dead yet, nor resurrected.
While they were chatting, the apostles notice that Jesus hair and clothes were radiant because of the light. The question is what was emitting such intense light
You are right about Lazarus of someone from the Bible having been resurrected by Jesus
Name:hbic3 •
Date: 03/10/07 14:58
A: You're right, I meant to say Ascension. There was another post that I had read previously that talked about the transfiguration and I get I stuck on it.
