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Name: Abigail •
Title: Mary as Master •
Date posted: 02/27/07 19:11
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Q: What about any objection to Mary Magdalene during her own lifetime? I would imagine that there would be people who would not have liked the fact that a woman was such a central religious figure.
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Name: bella •
Date: 03/01/07 0:59 |
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A: And they still don't. Hence, this was more or less kept under wraps. Even the other disciples are illustrated as questioning her on account of her being a woman in the Gospel of Mary and in the Gospel of Thomas.
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Name: Lore •
Date: 03/02/07 18:10 |
A: Here's a few places you might want to visit or join if you're interested in Mary Magdalene:
The oldest and most respected discussion list concerning Mary Magdalene. Margaret Starbird, Ki Longfellow, Joan Norton, Dr. Jim Gardner and other well-known authors post regularly
http://groups.yahoo.com/gro-up/magdalene-list/
Order- of Mary Magdala discussion list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group-/MaryMagdalaOrder/
Goddess- Christian discussion list
http://groups.yahoo.com/gro-up/goddesschristians/
Th-e- goddess-Christian oriented Esoteric Mystery School
http://www.northernway.org/school.html
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Name: Lore •
Date: 03/03/07 17:14 |
A: Pagan critic Celsus denigrated Christianity in the second century C.E. as a religion of women, children, and slaves. In doing so, he acknowledged that women were prominent in the mission of Yeshua.
Luke's insistence on women's subordination to men should be seen as a response to a Greco-Roman critique of Christianity, which was in fact grounded in the social reality of those Christian communities that denied or minimized the significance of marriage and women's subordination to husbands and fathers. When Luke insists that Christians are men and women, he may in fact be emphasizing not the women, but the men."
Thesis from "In Memory of Her: A Feminist Theological Reconstruction of Christian Origins," by Elisabeth Schussler Fiorenza: Women are the paradigm of the faithful disciple in the earliest layers of the gospel traditions, and women were the first Gentiles to become followers of Jesus. They were intimately involved in the development and articulation of a theology which made possible an extension of the Jesus movement to non-Jews. She bases this claim on her analysis of several stories about Jesus and non-Jewish women. [see Mark 7:24-30 and Matthew 15:21-28]"
From "Her Share of the Blessings:Women's Religions Among the Pagans, Jews, and Christians in the Greco-Roman World" by Ross Shepard Kraemer: "...I continue to see the specifics of Christian asceticism as a logical extension of earliest Christian belief in the imminent end of the universe as they knew it, which rendered normal social relationships, particularly marriage and childbearing, more or less irrelevant. For women, this constellation of intense convictions that the end of the world was at hand and that marriage, childbearing, and the transmission of property from one generation to the next were consequently no longer of any concern had major ramifications. . . . [W]hen traditional divisions of labor according to sex and concerns for the transmission of property are invalidated[,] . . women stand to achieve significant parity with men." page 139
... "The specific story of Paul and Thecla is almost certainly a fabrication. But there must have been women just like Thecla, who did deny marriage and childbearing, authority and hierarchy, who taught and baptized, who were accepted and revered by many, and who fully saw themselves within the tradition of Paul and his troublesome Corinthians. It is conceivable that behind the tradition of Thecla lies a historical women, who ultimately came to be linked with the figure of Paul, but we have no way to determine this." page 154 "In her ground-breaking feminist revisioning of early Christianity, Elisabeth Schussler Fiorenza . . . proposes that in the first few centuries, many Christian communities were appealing to women for their ability to address the specific status inconsistencies that certain women experienced. In particular, she suggests that many women sought access to the Greco-Roman prestige system by serving as patrons and benefactors of numerous Greco-Roman voluntary associations, yet found that their financial largess did not bring them the expected prestige and satisfaction they sought. In the Christian ecclesial household, by contrast, they found wholly different standards of worth that recognized their roles as patrons without denigrating them as women. . . . As I indicated earlier, such models often encounter resistance from scholars of early Christianity for their negative theological implications. They seem to imply that if these are the reasons why people became Christians, then the ultimate theological truths of Christianity is called into question. . . . In the end, I am still convinced that not only were the consequences of becoming Christian, particularly an ascetic Christian, different for women than for men, but also that the complex reasons why many women chose to become Christian are likely to have been different than the reasons why many men did so. It makes eminent sense to speak of women's Christianity (or probably Christianities) in the first few centuries and to explore the ways in which women's experience of being Christian differed from those of men, without in any way advocating, therefore, that all women experienced Christianity as fundamentally the same." pages 155-156
"After a lengthy quote of Jerome, Kraemer writes, "Jerome, it seems, was of the opinion that behind every heretical man was an heretical woman. It is in fact the case that among the many early Christian movements ultimately deemed heretical by their catholic opponents are a number in which women were apparently prominent, both as followers and as leaders. Jerome notwithstanding, women may not have been prominent in the majority of so-called heresies, but most movements we know to have been characterized by the prominence of women were ultimately judged heretical." page 157
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Name: bigpundaddy •
Date: 03/05/07 4:51 |
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A: I find it really interesting that Christians have tried to cover this up. How they just destroyed certain books and scripts. . I totally believe that Mary was very very close maybe not his bride but his companion. In due time science will show this and put biblical and historical views to bed.
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Name: RosicrucianEmily •
Date: 03/05/07 6:26 |
A: The Catholic Church destroyed most of what was real in my opinion. I have always lived with an open mind and I always followed my mother's faith,that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married,that he was spiritually resurrected and that they lived a full life.
The Catholic church like many other religions did not want women to have power.So they hid evidence,and put together the Bible containing only the documents that suited them.In prophecy they are to indeed aid the devil.
A strong Catholic is probably going to click that "Poor Taste" button because I'm speaking against his/mer religion but,after almost a thousand years of lies on their part,the world has a right to tear that faith to shreds.The Catholic believers should feel cheated.
I was baptised Catholic by my father who is one,and I became a Rosicrucian at age four.
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Name: Jaybo •
Date: 03/08/07 0:48 |
A: You might want to take a look at the Mary Magdalene / Mary as Master catgeory and posting -- I just explained some of the info on Mary (Miryai) from the Naassene website which fits with what we are all talking about here -- this info was considered heresy and was what the Cathars and Templars were all about.
You might also find the same or similar info among the Rosicrucian people since the Templars (after their escape from the Pope's death squad) morphed into the Rocicrucians -- note the red cross motif in both.
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Name: lady andromeda •
Date: 03/08/07 6:24 |
A: Hippolytus wrote in The Refutation of All Heresies (Book V section 2)
"These are the heads of very numerous discourses which (the Naasene) asserts JAMES the brother of THE LORD handed down to MARIAMNE."
(note the name Mariamne connected to James the brother of The Lord. Hippolytus was a respected early founding father of the Christian Church.)
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Name: A.R. •
Date: 03/12/07 19:10 |
A: Through the ages and teachings, the one most important things that is always lost is 'Truth'.
Past and Present (History)(Current Events) have written this on all walls and we never seem to read the words that have been written.
Blind and we don't see. Hear but we don't Listen. All great Rabbi's/Teachers(Fe-Male alike) from all walks of life who aren't afraid of the Truth are look upon as Heretics. They are either murdered or silence by those for greed in profits (just like all governemnts and co-operations).
In essence Truth will set the stage for evolution.
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Name: lady andromeda •
Date: 03/13/07 3:16 |
A: EXCELLENT A.R.!
"In esscence TRUTH will set the stage for evolution"
Well Said my friend!
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Name: A.R. •
Date: 03/15/07 20:11 |
A: Thank You: lady andromeda
Those who witness the truth's, are not the one of fear. Those of whom do not understand "Thought" are fear of themselves.
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Name: Kelly L. Fleming •
Date: 03/16/07 0:43 |
A: Hello All! I have a different translation of the name:
Mariamenouemara - Mariame - Goddess Name of Triple Power
Noue - Greek spelling for Nun/Naue - The Gate of the Fish,
the Yoni, the Gate of Faith - Fruitful Abudance
Mara - Master - The Aramaic title for "preachers" in the Aramaic,
Eastern Church - is Mar. I think the A on the end is the feminization
of the title. Add Noue/Nun to this, and it becomes Teacher of Faith.
Alot like the Essene title - Teacher of Righteousnous! Similar to
the title Joshua had, Son of Noue/Nun. But she is not the "daughter"
of Nun/Noue - but the state of fruitful abundance itself.
Blessings! Love + Light Kelly Lynne Fleming - Gypsy Goddess Sacred Alchemy Products
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Name: Kelly L. Fleming •
Date: 03/17/07 19:38 |
A: The Title MAR
Mara is the last 4 letters on the Miriame Ossuary
from the Lost Gospel of Jesus. The title of Mar is
used in the Apostolic Asyrian Church. Which may
be the oldest know Christian Church, dating back to
the time of the apostles, and the Church of the East
sites that their version of the Gospels is the first
version, given to them in the language of Aramaic.
Aramaic and Syria can be viewed as interchangeable.
This version of the bible has been translated - it
is called the Peshitta Bible. Here is a description
of a "Mar".
"Mar Dinkha IV
Catholicos Patriarch of the Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East His Holiness was born on September 15, 1935, in the province of Arbela, Assyria. He is the fourth in the line of succession to the Bishopric See of Urmia bearing the sanctimonious title of Mar Dinkha."
Obviously, what I am getting at is that
the title Mara on Mirame's Ossuary is designating her
as a Mar, which seems to be the equivalent of a Bishop.
I am still looking into exactly what the Mar title means
in the Eastern Religion. The A on the end of Mar, just
making the title feminine.
If Mar means "Master", then there are two ways to view
the title. Master and Slave, and Master/Teacher and Apprentice/Student.
Mirame - Master - therefore Teacher.
Blessings!
Love + Light
Kelly L. Fleming
Gypsy Goddess
Sacred Alchemy Products
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Name: eirini_cy •
Date: 08/07/07 8:21 |
A: it wa written in modern greek -hence fake ossuary - however
Mara is a nickname for Maria - therefore - like the ossuary of Jose had a nickname - it could have nothing to do with master
I doubt if it was another language - it would have been written in greek.
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