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Name: dattaswami •
Title: My declaration as present human incarnation •
Date posted: 05/24/07 13:16
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Q: My declaration as present human incarnation
From my side, I never declared that I am the human incarnation. I gave the spiritual knowledge. The devotees started telling that it is very special and never heard or present in any book. They started calling Me as Datta. Some of the devotees were pressing Me to show the miracles which were spontaneously expressed. Therefore, I stated that Datta possessed Me and gave this knowledge and also showed miracles. What is wrong in my statement? because this is the concept of any human incarnation. Gita says that God possess a human body for His divine mission. I did not believe or declare simply based on the words of devotees unless I had my own proof since I am basically a scientist. Science never denies the practical proof and it gives a logical explanation of any truth.
Such logical explanation coincides with scriptures and therefore the truth is constitutionally valid. When the devotees raised some points believing Me as human incarnation, I answered those points assuming that I am a human incarnation, because such points relate to any human incarnation in general. The answers are valid whether I am the human incarnation or not. Devotees have repeatedly stated that My knowledge is special and wonderful. This statement of devotees is the basis on which I developed the subsequent analysis. The special and wonderful knowledge can be given only by God as per Veda and Gita. This means that God entered my self and is speaking. When God enters the human body, that is the human incarnation as stated by Gita and Bible (Manusheem Tanum, God in flesh).
This does not mean that God has become the human body. God is in the human body. The concept of human incarnation is only this much. Such God given through human body to the devotees is called as Datta. This concept of double personality pacifies the jealousy of even higher devotees. They accept this and their jealousy is pacified. Even such higher devotees cannot tolerate if I say that I am the God. Even though Krishna told Arjuna that He is God, He also told in Gita that the God entered human body (Manusheem Tanumaasritam) and also clearly stated that God has not become the human body (Avyaktam Vyakti…). This means that the God present in the body of Krishna spoke “I am God” and this statement is not uttered by Krishna.
Arjuna was higher but not highest devotee. Gopikas were highest devotees, who believed that Krishna is God, who came down directly to the earth. Krishna made their belief become true because for them God pervaded all over the three bodies including the external gross body. God super imposed (Adhyasa of Sankara) Himself on the gross body as a human being super imposes His self on the gross body. In the case of God the super imposition is with knowledge due to necessity and in the case of human being the super imposition is due to ignorance. For them there is no need of any clarification and hence no need of Gita. But if that concept is revealed to Arjuna, Arjuna will totally reject it because he was a higher devotee and not the highest devotee.
The highest devotee is only one in millions. Higher devotees are many like Arjuna. Therefore, Gita is Universal and is not necessary for Gopikas. When Uddhava tried to preach the concept of this dual personality (God as possessor and the human being as possessed), Gopikas rejected him totally. Even this clarification does not pacify the jealousy of some people because they cannot tolerate even the presence of God in a particular human body only. They want the presence of God in their bodies also. This is the highest degree of jealousy. Since such highest jealousy is a common point to every human being, the Advaiti revolts against the human incarnation by generalizing that God is in every human body and gets the support of majority. This is the revolution and the formation of the union of people, who feel that they were suppressed.
This is communism revolting against capitalism. This is politics in philosophy. This is a special situation because philosophy enters every subject. The degree of philosophy (Ph.d.) can be taken in any subject. Therefore, you have philosophy in politics which is general and normal. Even though I also felt that this knowledge is wonderful, I never said it because it will be misunderstood by the ignorant people as self praise. Therefore, if the devotees stated this and if their statement is correct, there is no doubt that I am the human incarnation based on the concept of at least this dual personality as per the analysis related to higher level of devotees.
Such analysis can be extended even to the highest devotees, which prevents them from falling down to the higher level from their highest level. This concept of dual personality will at least fix the devotee to the higher level preventing from further fall. The people who fall down from this higher level also, believe God but not the human incarnation. They say that either no human being is God or every human being is God. Either the concept is totally rejected or is extended to every body. Let no body be rich or let every body be rich. There should not be one richest person. They hate the richest person and gradually they hate even any richer person. They want equality of every human being.
This is good in economics or sociology (Pravrutti). But the subject of spirituality (Nivrutti) is completely opposite to the subjects of the world (Durmeti Viparite Vishuchi--Veda). Sankara had to act like a communist even in the spirituality because in that time the country was filled with atheists of communist-psychology in pravrutti and for them Nivrutti was totally absent. Hanuman is also an incarnation of Siva like Sankara, but he followed the extreme capitalism in spirituality, which is quite opposite as said in Veda. The spiritual knowledge was given by Krishna to Arjuna, when Arjuna fell down on the feet of Krishna with complete surrender as a servant. Krishna said that one should become servant of Guru before receiving the spiritual knowledge (Tat Viddhi Pranipatena….).
At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami
Anil Antony
www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
[email protected]
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Name: JMD •
Date: 05/25/07 4:54 |
A: The mighty
will be brought down
The lowly
will be raised up
-Jesus
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Name: JMD •
Date: 05/25/07 4:56 |
A: Everyone who glorifies himself will be humiliated, and the one who humbles himself will be praised.
-Jesus
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Name: JMD •
Date: 05/25/07 4:58 |
A: The somebodies will be nobodies
and
the nobodies will be somebodies
-Jesus
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Name: dattaswami •
Date: 05/25/07 12:50 |
A: JMD;
Jesus told that the more you keep yourself down, the more you will be raised by God.
My JMD;! Realize that submissiveness (Vinaya) is the divine fruit of the divine knowledge (Vidya Dadati Vinayam). The egoism and jealousy are the harming insects for the knowledge-plant. Jesus told that the more you keep yourself down, the more you will be raised by God. But My friends! Do not down yourself expecting the corresponding raise!! God is omniscient and knows your hidden expectation. You should keep yourself always in the lowest possible state with all sincerity. Lord Datta who is the king of all the spiritual preachers appeared as the most ignorant cobbler before Shankara and submissiveness is the real sign of Lord Datta who is the solidified divine form of divine spiritual knowledge (Prajnanaghanah…Veda).
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Name: JMD •
Date: 05/25/07 23:48 |
A: As Jesus noted: "Beware of false prophets."
Jesus is way wiser than you, dude, and I'll bet majority of people here would agree with that ? no matter what their religion, no matter what their personal viewpoints about Jesus/Yeshua. Jesus or dattaswami - who do you think is the greater teacher?
:D
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Name: Todd •
Date: 05/26/07 0:35 |
A: JMD,
Fight the good fight sister!!
The question that has plagued humankind for years…….
If you’re an idiot, do you realize you’re an idiot, or being in an idiot state(shamalamadingdong) are you too much of an idiot to realize that you are an idiot and if being an idiot does that negate your idiotness, if the true state of idiot is being an idiot?
Praying at the feet of ……. alright, I just listen to what my wife and kids tell me to,
SalamiTodd
P.S. taking cash donations and yes we do accept Visa, Master Card and the like.
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Name: Xcavate •
Date: 05/26/07 17:19 |
A: Another famous saying:
Im kookoo for cocoa puffs :)
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Name: Panluna •
Date: 05/26/07 18:17 |
A: Todd,
I was going to hit you up for some money.
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Name: Panluna •
Date: 05/26/07 18:21 |
A: I AM the incarnations of my incarnations of my former selves what ever I was then and now,lowly or risen in the sight of Spirit I AM recycled to be reborn again over and over and over because I didn't get it right the first time
Panluna's first confession
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Name: JMD •
Date: 05/26/07 23:52 |
A: Well said, Panluna, about the 'confession.'
Todd - this is the great thing about paradox, going from one extreme to another - because if you're an 'idiot', admit to it, well that means you are also a genius as well. If you can dig it? So go tell that to the wife and kids - that if you're an idiot you must also be a genius as well. :b [it's easy to make these up - whenever the either/or straightjacket approach is lurking about.]
Just like some people like to think that the opposite of success is failure - but actually, there is nothing wrong with changing one's viewpoint at any given time, due to more evidence, new light shed on something, due to thinking/reflecting/meditating about it more. I'd call it more about 'growing' or 'expanding' or some other such word. But if someone likes to think that the opposite of success is failure, then we can make a paradox because "to be a success is to be a failure."
Gee, so how much are you going to pay me for all of that? :b just kidding -no fee required, not in my case, as that's not what I was taught.
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