Name:Gina •
Title: Resurrection •
Date posted: 02/27/07 18:39
Q: Does anyone know about the biblical accounts of the resurrection? Where do people stand on the issue?
Name:tricker •
Date: 02/28/07 0:47
A: Gina,
The biblical accounts are found in Matthew 28, Mark 16, Luke, 24, and John 20. These are the eye witness accounts. There are many other references to the resurrection. The born again believer in Jesus Christ knows that Jesus Christ arose from the dead physically, and is coming again physically to rule and reign upon the earth. There's no way any one found the remains of Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God.
Tricker
Name:factfinding •
Date: 02/28/07 1:20
A: Again, it's so simple.... read Matthew 12:38-40 for jesus Christ's own words about his resurrection. The Jewish authorities were given a sign by Jesus Christ as to properly identifying Him as the Messiah. Jesus said he would be in the grave "three days and three nights". Ask any Jewish religious expert what that time period means. And then ask Christian theologians why they do not acknowledge this in practice?
http://www.yout-ube.com/watch?v=cm1Z2-ujzt-E-
Name:osirius608 •
Date: 03/01/07 21:08
A: factfinding; Why don't you tell us what "3 days and 3 nights" mean to Judaism?
Name:factfinding •
Date: 03/03/07 11:11
A: TO: osirius608
Was Jesus in the grave for exactly three days and three nights?
"Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three night in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matthew 12:38-40).
Since Jesus claimed to be the Messiah, the Jews demanded a sign of Him to prove His claim. Jesus could give them no better proof that He was the Christ than the literal fulfillment of the well-known sign of Jonah, Luke 11:30. If this sign were not literally fulfilled, it would prove unto them that He was not the Messiah. This was the only sign Jesus ever gave them to prove His Messiahship. Hence the great need for Him to do exactly what He promised them to do.
Modern interpreters of the Bible make Jesus Christ a liar. They say Jesus was crucified on Good Friday, buried about sundown the same day, and arose on the next Sunday about daybreak in contradiction to the Scriptures! Any schoolboy knows that this is only two nights and one day. If He were crucified on Good Friday and arose on Sunday morning as they say, then He did not literally fulfill the sign of Jonah. If He did not fulfill this sign as He promised the Jews, then He was an impostor and not the Messiah! In other words, Jesus Christ lied to the Jews about His burial and resurrection.
The Jewish day does not begin and end at midnight as does the secular calendar day. Midnight is not a distinguishable astronomic event. In the era before the modern clock, a specific hour of the night could not be precisely known, whereas an hour of the day was easily determined by sighting the location of the sun. Thus, the day had to begin by precise, simple and universally recognized standards. This meant that the day had to be reckoned either from the beginning of night or the beginning of day.
In Jewish time, the day begins with the onset of night (the appearance of the stars) followed by the morning (which technically begins with the appearance of the North Star). According to some Jewish teachers, night and morning begin with sunset and sunrise respectively. For that is how the Torah describes it: "And there was evening and there was morning, the first day."
Rabbi- Maurice Lamm is the author of "The Jewish Way of Death and Mourning," "The Jewish Way in Love and Marriage", "Becoming A Jew" and many other books. A professor at Yeshiva University’s Rabbinical Seminary, he lectures nationally to Jewish and Christian audiences.
Name:Jim •
Date: 03/05/07 13:47
A: I completely agree. Jesus even said:
Jhn 11:9, “Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.”
This indicates a 24 hour timeframe, not some idea that time was different back then. Also, when one compares the account of Mark to Luke, a difference of time is noted (very subtle):
Mr16:1, “And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the [mother] of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.”
Notice how the statement that they bought the spices AFTER the Sabbath had past, which is represented more clearly in the NIV:
“When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus' body.”
RSV:
And when the sabbath was past, Mary Mag'dalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salo'me, bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him.
Now notice Lukes account:
Lk 23:56, “And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.”
See the difference? If place chronologically correct, the women bought spices after the Sabbath (Marks account), then returned and prepared the body, then rested on the Sabbath. How is this possible? Jewish High days were called Sabbaths, indicating more than one within the crucifixion week. So what probably happened was:
Jesus was crucified in the middle of the week :
Dan 9:27, “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”
The women bought the spices after Passover, but before the weekly Sabbath (Mark 16:1) and went to the tomb Friday afternoon, before sunset. They anointed the body and rested “according to the commandment”
No possible way for a Friday crucifixion!
Name:wygantsh •
Date: 03/05/07 14:05
A: DEAR GINA: It is worthy to point out that Mary of Magdala did NOT recognize Jesus outside the tomb and therefore there is a question as to WHAT kind of body he was wearing after he was killed? Did he de-materialize the dead body and then re-materialize a new one?
Further it is also worthy to note that the RESSURECTION can also be described as a process of the SOUL being fully prepared to ASCEND into heaven and come into the FULL presence of the THRONE of GOD without being burnt to a crispy critter and losing the identity since no soul can withstand the presence of God and live unless he has a WEDDING GARMENT or what Jesus also referred to as WHITE RAIMENT in the book of Revelation.
Jesus specifically says; "I counsel thee to buy of my WHITE RAIMENT so that thy nakedness doth not appear". In order to FULLY understand this we have to look at the FALL of Adam and how SIN caused him to be naked in the garden, which is not a refence to fig leaves and naked physical bodies.
The answer to this question is looking at the TRANSFIGURATION (Matthew 17) and in this passage Jesus reveals the WEDDING GARMENT that he was already wearing and which is synonymous with the RESSURECTED BODY because BOTH are a condition of the SOUL not the physical body and can occur, as Jesus demonstrated, IN ALL souls who live like Jesus did, which is confirmed in his own words: "GREATER THINGS SHALL YE DO BECAUSE I GO UNTO MY FATHER."
Name:factfinding •
Date: 03/05/07 18:47
A: This issue of the "3 days and 3 nights" is connected directly to what Jesus Christ Himself told His 12 Disciples in Matthew 24:3-5......
"As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many."
Since Jesus Christ knew all along that efforts to distort and deceive His Messiahship would occur, and continue to occur up to His Second Coming, the 12 Disciples (all of them Jewish) would need to be aware of how to discern the truth. That is why we have for 2,000 years a so-called "Christianity" that claims to adhere to the teachings of Jesus Christ, but in fact have deceived millions upon millions of people, fulfilling Matthew 24:3-5. The true followers of Jesus Christ will definitely know how to properly match up the "3 days and 3 nights" correctly, and not be taken in by this "Good Friday-Easter Sunday" fraud. If you cannot get the primary clue and basic logic behind Jesus Christ's resurrection 100% correct, how can you know true Christianity as it was supposed to be? The "3 days and 3 nights" clue is the master key to unlocking the truth of Jesus Christ.
A: HEY, where are the bones, we didn't lose and entire families bones did we, I would have to think we did at this point as nobody want's to talke about that
Name:Inner Spirit •
Date: 03/05/07 20:06
A: Wes Boll I believe there is a thread devoted to that topic and I believe it was stated in the documentary that the bones were placed in a group grave. Perhaps you are new to forums, but it is very inappropriate to place a post of a topic that does not pertain to the actual topic in the thread. Please stay on topic.
On topic- at one point in my life I did attempt to read and understand the bible because that was what I was taught to do, but I never did "get it." I sadly do not have a clear understanding either, however, I feel that it is more spiritual than physical. I discussed this in more detail in a related thread within this sub-forum.
Name:Wes Boll •
Date: 03/05/07 20:27
A: Inner Spirit: You are correct,I don't spend a lot of time on this stuff but history and religion have always been an interesting subject.Never miss the 10 Commandments when it come on!!Off subject thank you for the correction of being on the wrong page, have not found much of a thread as you say on my question so as they sometimes say.Will look in other places than here, Thanks, WES
Name:HoaxBusting •
Date: 03/13/07 0:15
A: Youre in the "Jesus is God" crowd, aren't you?.Personally I cannot say 'the Lost Tomb of Jesus," nothing more than "a question of business." Why would anybody say such a thing?!?.A better question is why scholars are so very divided on the significance of Tomb's bone-boxes Going by the early 80s this was disregarded (completely)
Irrespective AFTER reading 8 different articles from REPUTABLE-sourced about this, I see the word "Fake" showing up many times more than I would want.
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Ps -- It is worthy of a 2nd look
