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Name: Red •
Title: Self made theologists.......... •
Date posted: 03/07/07 20:24
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Q: You guys are arguing nothing. Even going as far to scramble around reading outside the 'inerrant' black book, for ANYTHING in which to defend nonsense.
The proof is in the pudding. The pudding may not be to everyone's taste, but it's all we have for desert!!
Chephlasporin was discovered in a cespool in Milan. Who would of thought that a major medical "miracle" was living for ions eating human waste?? Not too many, and that's why it took IONS for the right guy to wonder why crap dried up and went away.
Fact.... crap dried up and went away.
Fact .... something helped cause it to happen...
Theory..... MAYBE an anti-bacterium we dont know about...
Test the theory.... Go to cespool, put on boots, hold your breath, and collect a specimen of heathy crap...
Look at crap under microscope, and see what's going on and DISCOVER more facts.
Do something useful with those facts....... Isolate those little buggars and save millions of lives.
This scenario, as crude as it is,is duplicated all the time. The New testament does not shed any light whatsoever on a protocol to discover anything except Jesus, and a philisophy.
Christains say bodily accension can not be disproven, because faith in the possibility overides PAST PRACTICE of physical laws.
Is it Faith that allows bodily accension? or Do physical laws of nature ? Faith to move mountains is symbolic of a moral state of man..not the ability to float away into the atmosphere.
I can't make a ford water pump work on a small block chevy no matter HOW positively thoughtful I am. There are rules. Does my inability to not make that pump work underscore my faith?? Quite the contrary, It is simply "God" saying NO!
Religion believes God can break HIS OWN RULES. I dont. Why? It would make 'God" a liar. And the creator is no liar. The laws of nature bound us , the same as they bound "him". " IF i break my own rules i become a liar,. yet we do it all the time because we aer not perfect. The creator is perfect in the sense that he is what he is and is absolute in it. His laws of nature are absolute and not changing for anyone including himself.
Now christianity has tried to take "God" out of the scene. They do this by "secularizing" the whole world. "we are not of this world". This is a COP OUT. This is IRESPONSIBILITY of the highest order. They look to a POST- MORTEM reward, while claiming this life is evil and no good.
The rapture will take all good christains away to paridise while the rest of us Poor evil bastards are left with the world in shambles of a religious war that has no equal in history. How Selfish can a doctrine Be??
Ive seen drawings of people being raptured from the seat of their car while the car goes carreening off into a crowd of non-beleivers who are left behind. Or Pilots of 747's who are raptured out of the cockpit while the plane goes nose-diving towards earth with a load of people. These beliefs are selfish, ant-social, and phsycopathic.
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Name: KRS •
Date: 03/08/07 6:46 |
A: Red,
Your statements as to science are ultimately a statement of faith - as miracles can't be tested by science (since they are not repeatable phenomenon). Science can only prove what is natural phenomenon, arguing that supernatural phenomenon is your philosophical bias, as you will. Your welcome to it, but recognize it for what it is: a statement of your religious convictions that you ultimately take by faith.
As for your moral outrage at Christian doctrine, this only works if you assume the reasons behind the belief - and unless your able to read minds, thats very difficult to ascertain. If most Christians who believe in the Rapture had their druthers, no one would be left behind, and everyone would go to heaven. I don't know anyone so callous as to start wishing for masses of individuals to go to hell, indeed, we tell others of our hope in Christ.
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Name: Red •
Date: 03/08/07 17:55 |
A: Ther you go.........
" Recognize it for whwat it is: a statement of your (my) religious convictions that you (I) ultimatly take by faith"
This statement is a lie. You are attempting to create a religion around me.
What I said in my post does not a religion make. I only accept this world and how it works as it is. This is not a religion. That's something you dont seem to understand.
This is how ALL christian sects can claim every other sect is a "false religion". What I said in my post CAN NOT be made a religion. Yet, you have the need to see it as One.
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Name: Mark-Tao •
Date: 03/08/07 18:13 |
A: An amazing amount of thought has gone into the field of Christian apologetics. KRS is very well trained in defending his faith. Telling people that science is nothing more than an alternate religion is a way to negate science. It's the argument of an apologist.
It requires a lot of intelligence to be a good apologist. You can entertain all sorts of ideas, you just can't come to any new conclusions.
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Name: KRS •
Date: 03/09/07 2:23 |
A: The problem isn't science, the problem is that we have tseveral completely different things that we have tied together, and we can't tell the difference between them. One is science, a method of studying phenomenon on the basis of observable, repeatable phenomenon. The second is scientism (or naturalism, and there are derivatives such as humanism)- which is a philosophical system that believes that only what is known by science is real. The later is a religious system, the form is real science.
The problem is that too many people practice the second and call it by the first. This is one of the major problems in enlightenment philsophers who have swallowed some of David Hume's sloppier elements (at least, I have traced this back as far as Hume). In fact, in most arguments that I hear by evolutionists, somewhere I hear a reference to to David Hume's famous proof against miracles - which is basically a pair of very disjunctive syllogisms. Part of that disjunction is on the basis of confusing the definitions (or the concepts) of hte two up above.
Ultimately, everyone is religious, because religion is a catagory of questions not a catagory of answers. To say God does not exist is as religious as to say God does exist. Anyone who claims they aren't religious is merely blind.
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Name: KRS •
Date: 03/09/07 2:24 |
A: Mark,
Apologetics isn't a field in and of itself. Apologetics is the practice of using what one knows to defend and prove his conclusions.
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Name: hbic3 •
Date: 03/09/07 13:24 |
A: Red,
I think you mean, Eons, not Ions. Eons are a lenght of time too large to be calculated. Ions are electrically charged atoms.
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Name: Red •
Date: 03/09/07 14:55 |
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A: Sorry, Ive got Ions on the brain........
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Name: hbic3 •
Date: 03/09/07 17:23 |
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A: And I could have spelled Length correctly too.
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