Name:sam •
Title: TRINITY...Questioned by Christians from the time was create! •
Date posted: 03/23/11 20:03
Q: THE WATER.....THE EGG...THE TRIANGLE.
The Trinity been created by the Roman churches in Rome, and forced upon the Christians by the use of force, either you believe it or you suffer, and the historical events tells us the truth about those who rejected this formula, they were suppressed.[118] They were forced into secrecy by a war between the nobles of the north and south of France, the northern nobles were supported by a crusade authorized by the Catholic Church.
The origin of the Trinity:
- Poor Jude! Poor Paul! What back numbers they were! Of course they could not understand that there were three Gods. They only had the inspiration of God - they completely lacked that essential aid-Greek and Roman metaphysics, without which the doctrine of three Gods could not be formulated.
- The "Greek and Roman metaphysics" from which the doctrine of the Trinity was adopted, are referred to by Gibbon in his "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" Chapter 21, paragraph 6 .
Part two will follow......
Name:sam •
Date: 03/29/11 18:31
A: Part two.
THE TRINITY IN HINDUISM: [From a hindu site]
[In brackets is my opinion]
Brahma, Vishnu and Maheshwara (siva) form the trinity of Hinduism.
Brahma is the creator, = [the father]
Vishnu is the preserver = [the son]
and Siva is the destroyer. = [the holy ghost]
{In Christianity : THREE PERSONS BUT ONE GOD, but it is more logical to say, THREE GODS IN ONE PERSON, since the Father is god, and the son is god, and the holy ghost is god, as it represented by the "TRIANGLE" which was created by the Chritians to prove their point in trinity, as with the "EGG" which can be rotten, or the "WATER" which can evaporate , disappear and lost.
I don't think the Christians will agree to this even if it represent the truth.}
Their wives help them in their duties, who are goddesses called, Saraswathi, Lakshmi and Parvathi. Saraswathi is the goddess of knowledge while Lakshmi, is the godess of wealth,
and Parvathi is called the Mother Goddess.
[Parvathi , the mother Goddess..... Mary, the mother of God]
All three gods rule three different worlds. Bramha rules Brahmalok, Vishnu rules Vaikunth and Siva rules Kailash.
Actually in the VEDAS* there is no reference to the concept of Trinity.
[In the Gospel of Jesus (the words of Jesus), there is no reference to the concept of Trinity, and the same can be said about the OLD TESTAMENT.
1. YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER gods BEFORE ME.
Mark 12:29 THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD.]
* THE VEDAS, [1000 BC] is the oldest and most sacred Scriptures in Hinduism.
During the Rigvedic though, Vishnu was known as a solar deity, Siva was unknown. The concept of Trinity is thus not a Vedic concept but a native Indian concept.
[ So is the Trinity in Christianity, it was not known by Jesus or His followers, but created later on]
Thus the roles of Brahma and Vishnu were assimilated into the Indian religious tradition. Quite different from the popular opinion, Hindu religious tradition assimilated the Vedic religion much in the same way as it absorbed many other foreign traditions subsequently.
[ It is the same in Christianity]
More to come in part three.
Name:sam •
Date: 03/30/11 2:31
A: Correction:
In my last post about thr VEDAS Scriptures:
I read from a Hindu site the date as "1000BC"
Then in another, I read today the followings:
"Rig Veda might be 7000 years old (5000 BC or earlier). "
"There is confusion about the beginning of Vedic era. Sometimes it is indicated to be around 1500 BC, but that seems quite late and illogical according to Vedic references and archaeology."
Anyhow, it is very old , and much older than the OLD TESTAMENT.
As I read some verses of the Vedas, I can say it hold a good teachings, but it is mixed with a lot of stories, and MYTHS.
Name:sam •
Date: 03/30/11 23:07
A: The following are Taken from "Brahms Purana ", one of the Hindu sacred book.
......."King Prithu picked up his bow and arrow. He decided to kill the earth, since the earth was not yielding foodgrains to his subjects. The earth adopted the form of a cow and began to flee. But wherever the earth went, Prithu followed with his bow and arrow. He followed the earth to the heaven and to the underworld.
Finally, in desperation, the earth started to pray to Prithu......."
The following are taken from the holy Bible "2 SM 22:"
22:7 In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried to my God: and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears.
22:8 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth.
22:9 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.
{I wonder how anyone who live in this time, the 21st century acept these lies, and believe in them as sacred or holy words. God gave us a perfect brain to defferentiate between the truth and the false, and see the difference between the logic and unlogic, but it seem to me that the people of faith are blinded by their faith.
The Hindu Scriptures, and the Bible while they holds good works, and the words of God, at the same time they bring a lot of unreal stories, and a very bad examples [killing, distruction etc.] .
I hope that the people of these books grow up and try to sort out their books and keep only the good words, and delete what cannot be accepted by logic and what give a bad example.}
Name:sam •
Date: 04/01/11 5:26
A: I ended my last post saying "I hope that the people of these books grow up and try to sort out their books and keep only the good words, and delete what cannot be accepted by logic and what give a bad example"
THE CATHOLIC RED BIBLE shows Jesus words IN RED, and separate them from the other people words. That is a great idea because when one read them he is reading the Gospel of Jesus which the Muslims believe in. ONLY JESUS WORDS CAME FROM GOD.
I THINK THE SECOND GOOD STEP BY THE CHURCHES IS TO TAKE THE WORDS OF JESUS [IN RED] AND PUT THEM ALONE IN A BOOK, AND CALL IT JESUS HOLY GOSPEL. THEN THE TRUTH WILL BE VERY CLEAR.
And if they cannot do that then they should take out all the CONTRADICTIONS , AND THE UNLOGICAL STORIES , AND THE PORNOGRAPHY STORIES, AND ALL VIOLANT STORIES.
32 Scholars of the highest eminence backed by 50 Corporate denominations; saying that, “the King James version has with good reason been termed the noblest monument of English Language.”...
Yet the King James version has GRAVE DEFECTS...THAT THESE DEFECTS ARE SO MANY AND SO SERIOUS AS TO CALL FOR REVISION OF THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION.
The followings just a examples:
– KJB - 1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
– The new testament [the Gideons International in Canada] 1John 5:7 For there are three that testify; the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
– Bible in basic English. 1John 5:8 There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood: and all three are in agreement.
THE FATHER...THE SPIRIT...=...GOD
THE WATER...... =....... JESUS .... THE SON
THE BLOOD...... =........ HOLY GHOST...... HOLY SPIRIT
Those are not the words of God.
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PORNOGRAPH-Y- IN THE HOLY BOOKS !!!
Anyone can read the whole chapter of EZEKIEL 23 and see for himself, even RV. Jimmy Swaggert hesitate to read it in front of an audience when given to him by Ahmed Deedat.
Here just one verse: 23:20 “For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.
Those are not the words of God.
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Joshua:
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- 10:37 And took it, overcoming it and putting it and its king and its towns and every person in it to the sword: as he had done to Eglon, he put them all to death, and gave it up to the curse with every person in it.
11:11/12 And they put every person in it to death without mercy, giving every living thing up to the curse, and burning Hazor.
And all the towns of these kings, and all the kings, Joshua took, and put them to the sword: he gave them up to the curse, as Moses, the servant of the Lord, had said .
Those are not the words of God.
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GOD- IS PERFECT AND GOOD AND LOVING, HE DOES NOT MAKE MISTAKES, OR CONTRADICTS HIS WORDS, OR TEACH MURDER AND BAD THINGS.
THE BIBLE [EXCEPT FOR THE WORDS OF MOSES AND JESUS] CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO BE THE WORDS OF GOD, AND IT NEED PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND LOGIC TO KNOW THESE FACTS.
Name:sam •
Date: 04/03/11 0:27
A: Questions and their answers by Dawn Bible @ oal.com
Who is the true and living God? What do we know about him and his character?
Is Jesus really God’s only begotten Son? Is Jesus coequal with God?
Who or what is the Holy Spirit? Is it coequal with God and Jesus?
The FREE 31-page booklet "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" presents the Bible’s answer to these questions.
{MY ANSWER TO THAT BOOK COMES BETWEEN BRACKETS}
The Scriptures explain there is only one God.
{That is true. YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER gods BEFORE ME . First commandment. THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD . Jesus .}
His name in Hebrew is Yahweh meaning “I will become whatsoever I please.” (Exod. 3:14 Rotherham)
{That is wrong, and it is a WRONG TRANSLATION. God will not become a man or woman or animal or bird or tree etc., GOD CREATE EVERYTHING, BUT WAS NOT CREATED.}
God has always existed and will always exist. (Ps. 90:2)
{That is true}
“But to us there is but one God,
{That is true}
the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.”—1 Cor. 8:6
{That is wrong. And that came FROM PAUL and NOT BY JESUS OR GOD. God who created everything, cannot be himself in His creation or part of it.}
Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:16)
{That is totally wrong because:
1- Begotten son, will come from a sexual intercourse between male and female, [it is an animal act] and this act cannot be attributed to God.
2 - God created Adam and Eve from nothing, and He can create anything only by A WORD from HIM.
Quran 6:73 And it is HE who created the heavens and earth in truth, And the day [i.e. whenever] He says, “BE” and IT IS , HIS word is the truth.}
He [Jesus] was the first of God’s creation *
{That is totally wrong because in the Bible, and in Genesis, the first book, and the first verse, say:
1 - AT THE FIRST GOD MADE THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH [not Jesus]. ...Then light..The day and night [without the sun]..... First day.
After , the heaven and earth were created.... Second day.
Then, the water and land, the grass and fruit-trees..... Third day.
Then, the great light [the sun], the smaller light [the moon], and after He made the stars..... Forth day.
Then, the sea beasts, winged birds etc.,..... Fifth day
Then, all sort of living things [everything moving on the earth], and after “GOD MADE MAN”....The sixth day.
THE BIBLE if it is the true words of God, proves that Jesus is not among the first of God creation, and it is clear that Adam is the first, and that is supported by the words of the Gospel, [Jesus [as supposed] the son of Joseph .....The son of ADAM , the son of God. Luke 3:38].
Also, “GOD IS NOT A MAN... NEITHER THE SON OF MAN. Num. 23:19 “
2 - THE SONS OF GOD. Gen. 6:2 - 6:4 - Mat.5:9 - Luke 20:36 . Those verses tells us that “the son of God” expression can be given to other men too, those who do the will of God.
* THE FIRST OF GOD'S CREATION. By your own words. That means Jesus was created by God, either if He was created before or after or in between, He still is one of God's creations like everything else, and that prove that Jesus is not God or a part of God. WHAT BEEN CREATED BY GOD IS NOT A PART OF GOD, OTHERWISE THE PLANTS , THE ANIMAL, THE HUMAN AND EVERYTHING ELSE ARE PARTS OF GOD, AND THAT IS THE MOST STUPID THINGS TO SAY.}
and was present with God during the creation of the heavens and the earth. (Prov. 8:22-31 NIV)
{That is false, and there is no mention of Jesus name in those verses, and it is as to prove the trinity by the egg, the water, and the triangle. The creation in Genesis done by God alone.}
Together, they created man in their image. (Gen. 1:26) “
{That is false . “US” & “OUR” they do not mean two or more, these terms are used in the Hebrew and Arabic language as form of expressing oneself as for rank, power and authority, and even today the kings & queens use these terms. In the eastern countries a man calls his good friend 'brother', and an elder 'uncle', and a Christian calls a priest 'father' , and a nun 'sister, and that does not mean that the prist is the husband of his mother, and the sister is a daughter from his father or mother, I wish you understand these facts}
… and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.”—1 Cor. 8:6
{That is false, and it is PAUL again, the man who created the divinity of Jesus from the start !!!, and Paul who said, “LET US DO EVIL THAT GOOD MAY COME” Roman 3:8
And Jesus said, “I CAN DO NOTHING ON MY OWN INITIATIVE.....I DO NOT SEEK MY OWN WILL, BUT THE WILL OF HIM [GOD] WHO SENT ME .John 5:30}
Translated from the Greek word pneuma, the Holy Spirit is the invisible power of God that works in a number of ways. It is the power of God that moved upon the waters to prepare the earth for life. (Gen. 1:2)
{First, pneuma is ONE word in Greek and does not need a whole phrase to explain it. The Old Testament came in the Hebrew language and not in Greek, and I wonder what the holy spirit is and means in Hebrew?.}
It is the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ in our hearts that identifies us as follower of Christ. (Rom.8:9) It is the Spirit of truth that reveals to us “the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.”—1 Cor. 2:9
{The divinity of Jesus created , first by PAUL “I AM TELLING THE TRUTH !!! IN CHRIST, I AM NOT LYING ???.... I ROBBED THE CHURCHES !!!.... I AM ...NOT FIT TO BE CALLED AN APOSTLE ?.
The second is JOHN. John who?, is it the John who did not write the Gospel of John ?, ANYONE KNOWS WHO IS HE ?. The Gospel ACCORDING TO JOHN , was not written by a person named John. So an unknown man who never saw or met Jesus created Jesus the son of God, and Jesus the God !!!.}
JESUS WENT OF TO THE MOUNTAIN TO PRAY, AND HE SPENT THE WHOLE NIGHT IN PRAYER TO GOD.
{Human pray to God, sons of God pray to God, a man-God or God-God they do not pray to themselfs.}
