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Name: seasickgirl •
Title: Templar history •
Date posted: 02/27/07 13:59
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Q: How could it be possible that they knew about this site and word did not leak out over all these years?
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Name: Tara •
Date: 02/27/07 16:57 |
A: If you read and research anything about the Knights Templar, you will learn that they were gaurding a secret, and some say even bribing the the church.
There is so many references in history that actually support this, do a search and you will find it. The articles on this site are also really good, just very brief I wish they would add more.
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Name: Heather •
Date: 02/27/07 17:54 |
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A: Do they still exist?
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Name: DMS •
Date: 02/27/07 21:16 |
A: Visit this link to find out what happened to the Knights Templar.
http://en.wikipedia.-org/wiki/Knights_Templar_legends-
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Name: DMS •
Date: 02/27/07 21:17 |
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A: http://en.wikipedia.org/wi-ki/Knights_Templar_legends-
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Name: DMS •
Date: 02/27/07 21:17 |
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A: Don't add the ( - ) mark after. For some reason when I post on this site it enters alot of dash marks into my text ...
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Name: james39 •
Date: 03/05/07 5:47 |
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A: I wonder if in fact it was overlooked. When did the movie the tomb come out. In the movie they thought it was the bones of christ . Then the church was willing to kill to stop the findings from comming otu.
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Name: lk •
Date: 03/05/07 5:57 |
A: To learn more about the Templar's & their symbols check out the Vatican website and THE PARCHMENT OF CHINON – THE ABSOLUTION OF POPE CLEMENT V OF THE LEADING MEMBERS OF THE TEMPLAR ORDER
At the website:http://asv.vatican.va/en/doc/1308.htm
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Name: james39 •
Date: 03/05/07 6:14 |
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A: Why were the templers accused of woshiping the skull. Denying Christ. In many paintings over time the skull is at the bottom of the painting. Why did the pope and king of france turn on the templers and basically kill them all. They spent a few years excavating the temple area. Look at the cathers and any group which had different belife. To any mason out there look at the position of the skulls in the diagram have you seen a resemblance in them. Allow for a slight movement. Look the stain glass window which appears to be a pregnant woman standing by christ. The truth is in plain sight. We will never see the "truth" come out as long as the church has power. I really think the more that the church is exposed and the power deminishes more "Truth" will come out. Remember this is also the church which put Galileo on the mountain top because he said the sun was the center of the solar system. I think pope paul accepted this in like the year 2000. What organizaton has more money and power than Microsoft. The Church. I really think these Ideas should be followed up with. EXTENSIVELY. I think a further investigation into templer history will shed more possible light on this subject. FAITH IS IN THE TEACHINGS. It is truely amazing that one man teaching peace and forgiveness had such an impact.
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Name: Historian •
Date: 03/07/07 15:49 |
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A: Jesus was the first Master of Masons. The Knights Templar (not so-called for hundreds of years afterward) were Centurions, converted from Mithraism, who guarded Jesus as He required. They wore the upright Mithraic cross (four arms of equal length, plain or embellished). The skull was simply an ancient symbol of death, not part of Templar history. The crossed bones in a coffin were, of course, an indication of Christian following in life. This has nothing to do with the skull and bones displayed on pirate flags. Freemasonry is open to all men save agnostics, just as Jesus accepted all good men who would come to Him. The Knights Templar are a Christian organization that is still subordinate to Freemasonry. To be a Freemason, you must make your desire known to a Freemason. To become a Knight Templar, you must first be a Freemason, and secondly, a Christian. The truths guarded by Worshipful Masters of Freemasonry and the Templars are for members only, as it was ordained in the beginning.
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Name: hbic3 •
Date: 03/09/07 11:54 |
A: The Knights Templar as converts from Mithraism? That's not one I've heard yet. Mithraic cross? I'm sorry, I've never seen a cross as symbolic of Mithraism. In fact, that doesn't even make sense considering that Mithraism was the worship of the God Mithras and symbolised by Mithras slaying a bull. I'm interested in your sources.
The story of the Knights Templar is that they were created by St. Bernard of Clairvaux to protect Christians on the pilgrimage to the Holy Land. They were "stationed" as it were, in and around Jerusalem and their "base" as Solomon's Temple. Being the time of feudalism, they were granted land by the the then King of Jerusalem, whom I believe was Baldwin I, and in exchange they swore fealty or allegience to protect, not only the pilgrims to the Holy Land, but the Holy Land and Baldwin in all things. Such oaths of fealty resulted in Knighthood. Hence the name, Knights Templar. As lords over the parcels of land they were granted, they inturn "rented" parts of it to others who swore fealty to them, to protect the lord and his land, and to fight with and for him in times of all out war. The men who swore fealty to the lords were called vassels, and paid their "rents" with the better part of the crops, or coinage if they had it. The Knights became rich as all "land lords" did in that day. After a couple of centuries, many Kings throughout Christendom became jealous of the land and riches they owned, and that the Templars weren't required to pay taxes, and one in particular, Phillip of France was dead broke. He wanted what they had. He started to spread the rumor that the Knights were heretics and tortured confessions of heresy out of many of them. As the word that some of them were confessing to heretical acts spread, the more people believed that they were heretics, and Pope Clement eventually had to disband them.
The rumors about the Templars are that they got rich from robbing the very pilgrims they were supposed to protect (and I have no doubt that some did), made a lot of money off the banking system they set up, which is very likely, that they found Solomon's treasure under the temple and that they found the "traditional" Holy Grail and were paid well to protect it. The more modern theory of how they became rich is that they found something so extraordinary as to rock the very foundation of the Christian church to it's core under Solomon's temple. They blackmailed the Pope into paying them to keep it quiet. Whatever it was that they are rumored to have found causes them to change their belief in the traditional story of Jesus. Some theorist claim it was proof that Jesus was married, and to Mary Magdalene(who was the so-called "true holy grail") and had at least one child. Some say that it was proof that Jesus didn't die after being crucified nor did he ascend into heaven, but continued to live to a ripe old age. Of course, the first story is more probably true than the conspiracy stories. It's certainly more logical and historically accurate. In fact, it is the story that is accepted by historians and Archeologist as fact and is supported by the historical evidence, such as primary sources. The others are purely fantastic conspiracy stories and are NOT accepted as fact, nor are they supported by any verifiable evidence.
Just as a side note, wikipedia is not considered to be a reliable source for information. It's often correct, but not reliable. Those article which are correct are "copied and pasted" from other primary and secondary sources. Every article can be edited by anyone who wants to.
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Name: Achaney •
Date: 03/11/07 8:24 |
A: Hello historian. You were close but not quite. Jesus was not firs master but he was the idea of what freemasonry was but known in a different name. The Knights Templar discovered scrolls under Herods temple (as the dead sea scroll researchers would soon discover when they went digging under the temple based on the copper scroll from the dead sea scrolls, found templar artefacts instead of scrolls) and found the truth about who Jesus really was and the true Jerusalem church known as the, "Way".
Mithraism is an older mystery school and does in a way (but small) find it's way into some of Freemasonry. The knights templar came under fire by the church when spies learned that they were really in disbelief that Jesus was the messiah as portrayed by the church. They became forced to disband after the tortures. When things cooled down and after a certain amount of years passed, during this time, the templars that remained hidden, started creating the craft rituals, such as Scottish Rite from Scotland (the banockburn battle-where templars appeared), hence Freemasonry was created. Which stems all the way back to the Egyptian Mysteries, that which was discovered by the Templars.
The skull and crossbones originates with the Templars who got the symbol from the....will not say. But the Templars would use it on their ships and after certain captains became inititiated; in turn they became pirates (which they name there newly found flag the Jolly Roger because of a wonderful host who's city was by the sea and his name Jollui Rogerre because he showed a jolly good time!) and the Pirates who were masons (formerly templars); as expressed by one Captain William Morgan (god bless his Rum) in his book about Freemasonry (ended up disappering) and so the history of the skull and bones, Jolly Roger, and the pirates.
The Templars got rich because they black mailed the CHURCH with their new discovery. That Jesus was just a man and belonged to a secret form of Jewish order, which passed down from Solomon and in return which came from Moses (now discoverd to being Pharaoh Amenhotep IV which changed his name to Akhenaten-worshiper of the aten-one god only, which he fell in disfavor because of elliminating the worship of multiple gods) who was learned in the ways of the Egyptians.
The papal document, "Absolution of Pope Clement V of the leading members of the Templar order", was an actual document found in the secret archives of the Vatican, but it's only an document of the first trials against the Templars. This absolution changed later on, in which they were found guilty of being heretics anyways. The actual absolution didn't come until, of course, they were well charred by the Roman flame, as usual ( just like Joan of Arc, John Wesley and so forth).
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Name: bergeredearcadie •
Date: 03/14/07 17:56 |
A: hbic 3 wrote: "The story of the Knights Templar is that they were created by St. Bernard of Clairvaux to protect Christians on the pilgrimage to the Holy Land"
This is incorrect. They were formed by Hughes de Payens and 8 others out of knights associated with Godfrey de Buillon. Bernard of Clairvaux wrote the Templar Rule, and presided over the Council of Troyes.
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Name: hbic3 •
Date: 03/17/07 2:28 |
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A: Here we go with Holy Blood, Holy Grail again.....
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Name: R. Kirk Kilpatrick •
Date: 03/29/07 17:05 |
A: Upon further reflection and additional research, I believe that another possibility should be considered:
The "symbols" over the door point to the temple of Augustus. The coin of Herod Philip II (see examples of coins catalogued as Hendin 531, 532, 533, 534, 535, 538, 539, etc.) struck at Caesarea Philippi is almost universally associated with the Temple of Augustus in his territory by numismatists (Meshorer, 76-77; Roller, 191). See Hendin 530 where the shield feature is enlarged. It is thought that the temple appeared in this way at Sebaste as a tetrastyle (four columned) temple (though possibly enlarged at some point to be peristyle--six columned across the front and surrounded by columns as was the one at Caesarea Maritima). Such a tetrastyle temple of Augustus (with shield motif nicely matching the “circle”) may be seen at Pula, Croatia. Note the raised, circular shield under the pitched roof just as depicted on the coin of Herod Phillip II and nicely matching the feature of the so-called "Lost-Tomb." It appears that some of those buried within this tomb were identifying themselves with the dynasty of Herod or with the temple of Augustus.
Early Christians would not declare “Caesar is Lord.” To the contrary they declared “Jesus is Lord” in the face of martyrdom. Symbolism related to the cult of Caesar over a tomb doorway seems entirely unfitting for early Christians. It appears to be the "Lost Tomb" of some devotees to Caesar.
From: http://confirmedword.blogspot.com/index.html
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Name: andrewh •
Date: 05/06/07 23:50 |
A: Is it possible that the "discovery" that the Templars made was in fact this tomb. Did they then reseal it after having taken out some things (including maybe the skull of Jesus". This fits in with the theory put forward in the book "The tomb of God" by Richard Andrews, which suggests that the Templars brought the bones of Jesus to France.
Perhaps they took the symbol of the all seeing eye from the tomb and this became their symbol. I read (I think) that some of the skulls found in the tomb were from the time of the Templars. This would also fit in with this theory, as they would want to be buried in the same tomb as Jesus.
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Name: Mykelbelievs •
Date: 01/27/09 9:14 |
A: I think their IS evidence that the Templar DID enter the tomb...
1st: the "Jesus Family Tomb" book does say they found evidence that the original seal stones were missing and replaced prior to discovery and that the Ossuary niches were NOT sealed when they were discovered.
2nd: all burial artifacts, typical of the Jewish custom, (Bowls, Cups) were not present.
3rd: the Skulls oriented in a chevron toward the Temple mount.
I believe all of this points to Templar Grail Legend... Mainly the cups and Bowls are an obvious link, which stands to reason from which the Grail legends first diverged from Mariamne's ossuary itself.
And I remember an old story made famous in the "Indiana Jones...and the Last Crusade" movie about Three Brothers sworn to protect the Grail forever, which makes me think of the Three skulls. And my assumption is that this legend has evolved from an actual event in which Three Templar Brothers, who's last wishes were for their skulls to be placed on the tombs floor, in a chevron shape oriented to point toward the Temple Mount, identifying them as Knights of the Temple of Solomon.
In the belief that their souls would protect the secret, a ritual that would never be copied.
Does this make any sense?
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