Name:dattaswami •
Title: The negligence His of Mother by Jesus •
Date posted: 05/19/07 8:05
Q: The negligence His of Mother by Jesus
Jesus neglected His mother through out His life. When a devotee stated that His mother is really blessed soul, He denied it and told that the servants of God are really blessed. Once, He refused to see His mother, who was waiting for Him since He was busy with His devotees. Jesus was stating that one should cut all the family bonds including life to become His dearest disciple. Shankara, who left His mother for the sake of God; Buddha, who left His wife and son for the sake of God; Ramanuja, who left His wife even for the sake of devotees; Radha and Meera, who left their husbands for the sake of God; Gopikas, who jumped into the fire for the sake of Krishna; Prahlada, who underwent torture and Hanuman, who tore His chest for Rama can be understood as the direct or indirect human incarnations of God to demonstrate this point practically. The negligence of Jesus towards His mother, had another point also.
He was reducing her bond to son to divert it to God. Apart from this, He was also preparing her to withstand the last scene of His crucifixion. In fact, in the world God created disease for this purpose only. Whenever your close related soul like wife, child etc. falls ill, you are expected to decrease your love on them slowly by such repeating illness. The illness is a temporary warning about the inevitable death on some day or the other to show that your relationship with that particular soul is not permanent and can be cut at anytime. But in such situation, one is becoming more and more anxious about the soul and takes more and more care thereby increasing the love more and more on that bond. When that soul departs suddenly or at the end of the life, this accumulated love will blast you suddenly due to increased power in the bond. But if one decreases the intensity of love by such situations, he or she will be able to withstand the shock quite efficiently. Like this Jesus was preparing His mother for the last scene, which is common to any mother, who has the probability of an accidental death of her child.
Name:Panluna •
Date: 05/19/07 16:09
A: Every child has to leave home sooner or later and make their way in this world.If they come back then view it as blessing in disguise.
Name:JMD •
Date: 05/19/07 16:28
A: Jesus did not neglect his mother. But why bother trying to explain. Let everyone go on their own spiritual path, and believe what they will. I'm certainly enjoying mine, but I have lots of books to read and have personal writing to do, so I just don't have the time to write long posts anymore, methinks. I'll keep them brief, if I write any more posts at all.
Name:betty47 •
Date: 05/21/07 12:38
A: I can not believe that Jesus neglected his mother and have to wonder what is the purpose of this thread. Are you trying to convert others? If so, that's out of line. This site is suppose to be about the Jesus family tomb. While I respect your thoughts, your posts are going overboard.
Secondly, while Christianity is far from perfect and while I have criticized many things, Hinduism has its faults as well. The continued belief regarding untouchables in India is uncalled for. The caste system, while outlawed, is still observed in many places in India. The treatment of women in India because of Hinduism is awful. Women are sold off at young ages. Grooms demand gross amounts of money from the bride's family even in today's times, and bride burning is awful. Clean up your own house before you criticize others. I only mention this because many of our cousins have married men from India and I have traveled to India many times myself. There is much to admire in Hinduism, but like most religions, it is not practiced in reality as its ancient founders wanted.
Name:dattaswami •
Date: 05/21/07 14:42
A: betty47 ;
Bonds hindering the spiritual progress & overcoming them
There are four strong bonds, which hinder the spiritual progress.
1) The bond with the wife
2) The bond with the money
3) The bond with the child
4) The bond with ones body and life.
Avadhoota can only be the soul who has cut all these four bonds. A Sanyasi could cut the first three bonds but not the fourth bond. A Sanyasi takes food, drinks water, sleeps and leaks the sperm periodically. The Sanyasi avoided the wife but not the desire for the sex. The eating, drinking, sleep and sex are the four biological needs of the body. The Avadhoota lives maintaining his body without these four needs and his body is beyond the rules of the nature. His body is a divine body maintained by the super power (Maya) of the Lord. The state of Avadhoota is complete liberation and such complete salvation is possible only by the complete grace of the Lord. Avadhoota is just an inert house of the Lord. There is no soul in that body. The soul also is a part of the nature and so the soul becomes a part of the inert house of the Lord. The Avadhoota thinks talks or does anything only by the will of the Lord. It is one system and not two in one. Avadhoota is one hundred percent Lord. It is the state of the goal and there is no journey further. He is called as Siddha and not Sadhaka. Even the Sanyasi is a Sadhaka who is still travelling towards that state. However, a stone can be also equated to Avadhoota because it also has complete salvation but the Lord is not dwelling in it. The Salvation must be attained through the devotion of the Lord, which will lead to the state of Avadhoota. If simple salvation is attained without devotion it will lead to the state of a stone.
Among the three bonds the strongest bond is the bond with the children. The wife can help in the spiritual effort (Sadhana) and therefore she is called as ‘Saha Dharma Charini’. The sex, which is a biological need, is a matter of attraction of few minutes or at the maximum few hours. This little time is negligible compared to the long lifetime and the energy dedicated to the Lord. But the bond with the children persists in all the times and requires the expenditure of the energy continuously. The Bond with the money also increases due to this bond with children. For the sake of the children people become currupt and try to rob others. In such process they are doing lot of injustice. The strength of this bond is reduced by realization and with this not only the individual salvation in the upper world is achieved, but also the justice in this world can be easily established. This is the reason why the Lord spoke about the detachment of worldly bonds for the establishment of the justice. He says that He is born to establish the Justice, but He does not speak about the rules of the Justice. The Government, Police and even the courts quote the rules of Justice, which cannot establish the Justice. People are trying to misinterpret these rules and win the case. In Gita the Lord attempted for the detachment of these bonds, which are responsible for the injustice. He attacked the problem at the basic level. Therefore, the strength of the bond with the children is proportional to the injustice in the world. This bond also hinders the spiritual elevation. Unless the strongest bond is cut, salvation is impossible. Without the salvation, the single bond with the Lord is impossible. You can analyze Vyasa, Arjuna and Dhritaraashtra who are representing the three above average, average and below average levels.
Vyasa is the highest Guru and his birthday is celebrated as Guru Purnima. The divine prostitutes who are of the lowest level mocked such a highest Guru due to this strongest bond. Vyasa was running after his son and was mocked. He was not mocked for his bond with the divine lady called ‘Gritaachi’ because it was just a temporary bond for few minutes. She gave birth to ‘Suka’ through whom Vyasa had permanent bond for twenty years. For the sake of wife he wasted only few minutes but for the sake of son he wasted twenty years. Arjuna was also bound by this strongest bond. He was killing all his relatives on the order of the Lord. He was prepared to leave the kingdom, but when his son Abhimanyu died, he stopped the war. The war is the work of the Lord to punish the evil people. Therefore, the bond with the Lord is not stronger than the bond with his son. The Lord performed the surgery and broke this strongest bond by killing even the other children (Upa Pandavas). The Lord wanted to lift Arjuna. Bhagavatgita was the medicine, which could not work to break the strongest bond. Therefore, the Lord performed the surgery and lifted Arjuna and other Pandavas also as they surrendered to Him. The Lord lifted Vyasa by preaching him through the divine prostitutes. For Vyasa the medicine was sufficient but for Arjuna surgery was required. Since Vyasa and Pandavas are His devotees, the Lord did everything for their upliftment. Dhritarashtra is not a devotee. He knows that Krishna is the Lord. He saw the Viswarupam. He advised his sons to arrange a feast and attract the Lord to help them. He tried to grab the wealth of his own brother Pandu who only conquerred the whole kingdom. When Pandu went to the forest, Dhritaraashtra was made the representative of the king. He became blind with this strongest bond and did not mind to do injustice to the son’s of his own brother. The whole wealth actually belongs to his brother. If he passes an order as a king, his son cannot hinder it. He has the support of Bhishma. Bhishma took an oath that he will protect the king. Therefore he need not fear for his son. His wife Gandhari found fault always with her husband and her sons, but at the last when her children were killed she gave the curse to Lord Krishna forgetting that He is the Lord. Such is the strength of this illusory bond! Today Dhritaraashtra represents people. People are trying to earn the money for the sake of their children and they are prepared to do injustice to any extent for this. Like Dhritaraashtra they want to please the Lord by worship to help their children. Therefore, if the Sadhaka can cut this strongest bond all the other two bonds can be easily cut.
Gopikas represent the state of a real Avadhoota. In the absence of Krishna, they forgot all the biological needs of the body and they jumped into the fire when they heard that Lord Krishna left the body. They only could cut the bond with their bodies and bond with their lives also. The Lord could cut their bonds by dancing with them, by attracting their children to do mischief and by stealing their butter. By the dance in Brindavanam (Raasakeli), the husband-wife bond was cut. Their own children stole butter on the order of Krishna and due to this the mother-child bond was cut. By giving butter to Krishna, which was their hard-earned wealth, their bond with money was also cut. Like this Gopikas only could cut all the bonds and achieved the highest grace, which is the fifteenth upper most world called Goloka. In the case of Hanuman, he fought with the Lord for the sake of his mother to protect king Yayathi. Therefore Bhagavatam, which contains the story of the Gopikas at the end is the most sacred scripture, which could give salvation to Pareekshith in seven days. The very first verse of Bhagavatam speaks about this strongest bond of Vyasa. The love in these worldly bonds can be cut only by the love on the Lord. A diamond can be cut only by another diamond. These bonds with human beings can be cut only by the bond with the Lord in the form of human being only. The bond with formless God, or the bond with a form in the upper world like Vishnu and Siva, or the bond with a statue or a photo cannot cut your family bonds. These are stones, which fail to cut the diamond.
Gopikas could cut these human bonds by their bond with Lord Krishna who is in the human form only. Your question is very important because it deals with the actual journey towards the goal. For us neither the analysis of goal nor the analysis of a soul is so important as the analysis of the path and journey. The goal can be realized even after reaching it and need not be known now itself. Since the soul is travelling towards the goal, the soul is already not the goal. This one point is sufficient regarding the soul. All the concentration is to be put up on the analysis of the real path and the mode of the journey.
Name:betty47 •
Date: 05/21/07 16:13
A: The thoughts in religious texts are often very nice. The practice in reality.... not always nice. The question is how does each person practice their own religion for themselves and try to be the best person they can be? If the original thread is that Jesus neglected his mother and therefore that stains his followers, I would have to say there are thousands, if not millions, of Hindus in India who neglect the females in their lives, and sell them off or murder them without a second thought even today. When my cousin married a man in India in 1980, which is considered the modern era, his family demanded almost the contents of an entire house, even though the family was very educated, from a modern city and the man was very modern himself, he claimed. Old ideas die hard. Look in the personals section of any modern newspaper in India and you will still see people trying to find partners in marriage based on their Hindu caste. You don't have to answer my post with a long book. The fact that you do shows you're trying to convert others which is not appropriate for this forum. We're not having a battle here over which religion is best even though some people seem to think that. Have a nice day.
Name:JMD •
Date: 05/21/07 22:52
A: Of all the holy men in the world Jesus was/is the coolest - the biggest feminist of them all, and the one I'm sticking with. :D
Name:dattaswami •
Date: 05/23/07 2:42
A: betty47 ;
Gita says ‘Eka Bhakthih Vishishyate’ which means that the person having only one bond with the Lord alone is liberated. The liberation itself means destruction of all the bonds in this world. Without full liberation, one cannot have a strong bond with the Lord. Unless one is completely relieved from the world, one cannot join God. The joining report in the new institution is not possible without complete relief from the previous institution. You cannot partially join the new institution. It cannot be a side employment. Ofcourse such partial bond can be treated as the intermediate stage and is better than no bond. But the aim should not be such partial bond. If you aim at 100 marks, you may get 40 marks and pass. But if you aim at 40 marks only, you will fail. Therefore, let the aim be total liberation from the world and single bond with the God.
The bond consists of three parts. The service in terms of sacrifice of work and fruit of work comprises ninety-nine paise. Love with mind consists of 2/3rd paise. Remembering through words consists of 1/3rd paise. If you take the case of Sankara, he has donated the whole rupee to the Lord. His love for his mother, words to praise mother and service to mother are diverted towards the Lord. He left his mother for the sake of the Lord. He has donated all the one hundred paise to the Lord. He is the top most beloved of the Lord. He should be our aim. In the beginning stage you cannot divert your work, which is called duty and mental attachment, which is called love to the Lord. At least make a humble beginning by donating the words to the Lord. Go on reading spiritual books and go on chanting his songs. By this you have donated 1/3rd paise to the Lord. Remember that you cannot purchase any item from any shop with 1/3rd paise. Therefore, do not aspire any thing in return from the Lord, for this 1/3rd paise. In the next stage you try to divert your mind towards the Lord, which is 2/3rd paise.
Do your duties to your family members, but without mental attachment. Such mental detachment has several added advantages. If one is mentally detached from the family members, he will not be hurt if they insult him in future. He will not be disturbed when their behaviour is not correct. He will not suffer if death attacks them. Such mental detachment brings full peace and balance of mind. Due to this he will be always energetic with good health. Therefore such mental detachment is needed even for an atheist. The detached mind cannot keep silent because it is habituated to the attachment. Therefore, attach the mind to the Lord. Such attachment will always give infinite bliss in the life. When you are successful in attaching the mind to the Lord, you are called as devotee. But a devotee can be disturbed. The devotion becomes firm if his intelligence takes a firm decision through knowledge. Therefore, Knowledge gives firm decision to the intelligence (Buddhi) and this makes the devotion of mind (Manas) to be firm. Therefore, Gita started with Buddhi Yoga or Jnana Yoga in the second chapter.
When the mind is fixed on the Lord with the help of the knowledge of the intelligence, the work will naturally change and will follow the mind. The mind is like the king. The words are like his ministers. The intelligence is like his preacher or Guru. The work is like his army. Therefore, with the help of the words the mind should be diverted to the Lord and it is fixed with the help of the intelligence. The words divert the mind, whereas the intelligence fixes the mind. Therefore, when you have donated words and mind to the Lord and when you are strengthened by the spiritual knowledge your duties and responsibilities, which form the work, will naturally be diverted towards the Lord. The work is always inert item and is controlled by the mind and intelligence.
Name:Shlomo •
Date: 05/23/07 4:11
A: dats a swami,
A fool says much, but a wise man says little..................
