Name:vvk •
Title: What do muslim women get in heaven???? •
Date posted: 11/16/11 8:11
Q: "I am a Moslem woman. I have no face. I have no identity . . . Islam believes and promotes only one relationship between male and female and that is the relation of lust . . . I have no explanation on why God denied me everything and made men in charge of me, if there is a God. I don't believe there ever was one."-- Dr. Parvin Darabi, a rehabilitated Muslim woman, author and activist.
Islamic Heaven
Syed Kamran Mirza
Published on February 13, 2007
Some so called modern Islamic apologists often try to fool the western infidels that Islam is a very simple religion and Islam never lures Muslims with erotic heavenly pleasures. Nothing could be furthest from the truth then this ridiculous claim of Islamists. Let’s examine very closely the facts about Islamic heaven.
If we research on the heavens of world’s five famous religions this is what we can learn: Both Judaism and Christianity talk about heaven but do not describe what is in there! Hinduism talks about heaven and give some earthly material pleasures but does not go any further. Buddhism does not believe in after-life, and do not have any hell or heaven. They believe hell and heaven exists on this earth.
But Islam emphatically describes many forms of heavens (at least 8 of them with various status/classes) with plenty of earthly greed’s and lusting/erotic pleasures which not many human beings (made of soil) can refuse to get it. Muslims devoutly pray at least five times (some pray even 10 times) a day, visit Mekka and fawns Pirs and Darbishes (Saints) just to get the ultimate ticket for those lustful happiness of heavens.
In my childhood I asked our Huzur (Imam of the Mosque) what exactly will be the likes of heavenly rewards from Allah for which all Muslims are fawning Allah by five times prayers per day, and fasting for one month. The Imam shaheb replied: “after your death you will be resurrected again as an healthy young man of 25 year old. There in the heaven you will be given beautiful Houris/Gillman, wine, and plenty of foods to eat. You will stay young for ever and death, disease will never come near you again.” Folks, all those Islamic Mullahs, Maoulanas, all those Jihadis of Kashmir, Palestine, Osama-Bin-Laden’s terrorist gang, and all other gullible Muslims ardently believe just that.
Islamic Allah and Prophet Muhammad frequently promised believers of Islam with lustful heavens and erotic pleasures of various kinds which we shall encounter later in this essay. Holy Quran got hundreds of such verses, and myriad’s of Sahih Hadiths dealing Houris and wine and sex for those pious Muslims. Truth of the matter is myth (superstitions), sex and violence are the main pillars of Islam. Below are some samples of divine promises from the Merciful Allah and Compassionate Prophet of Islam.
Quranic verses (Translated by Maolana A. Yousuf Ali) that promises Heaven with Houris, Sex, and Wine for the pious Muslims:
Quran-(52:17-20): “They will recline (with ease) on thrones arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to Huris (fair females) with wide lovely eyes.” “There they shall pass from hand to hand a (wine) cup, free from any Laghw….”
Quran: (37:40-48): …they will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.
Quran: (44:51-55): Yes and we shall wed them to dark-eyed houris (beautiful virgins).
Quran: (55:56-57): In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny?
Quran-(55:72): “Hur (beautiful, fair females) guarded in pavilions;”
Quran: (78:31): “As for the righteous, they surely triumph. Their gardens and vineyards and high-bosomed (pointed breast) virgins for companions, truly overflowing cup”
Quran-(78: 33-34):“And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age, and a full cup of wine.”
Quran-(55:57-58): “Then which of the blessings of your lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (In beauty) they are like rubies and coral”.
Quran-(56:7-40): “ …we created the houris and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand….”
Quran-(55:70-77): “ In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair….dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man or Jinn have touched before…”
Quran-56:22: “And (there will be) Huris with wide, lovely eyes (as wives for the pious)”
Quran-(56: 35-36): “Verily , We have created them (maidens) of special creation. And made them Virgins.”
Quran- (55:56): “Wherein both will be Qasirat-ut-Tarf (chaste females restraining their glances, desiring none except their husband) with whom no man or jinni has had tamth before them.”
Quran: (2:25): “And give glad tidings to those who believe and do righteous good deeds, that for them will be Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise)……….and they will be given these things in resemblance (i.e., in the same form but different in taste) and they shall have therein Azwajun Muhtahharatun (purified mates and wives) and that they will have abide therein forever”.
Quran:(47:15): “The description of Paradise which the Muttaqun have been promised (is that) in it are rivers of water the taste and smell of which are not changed, rivers of milk of which the taste never changes, rivers of wine delicious to those who drink, and rivers of clarified honey……….”
Quran-(40-45): "Surely for the God-fearing awaits a place of security gardens and vineyards and maidens with swelling (protruding) bosoms."
Now some sahi Hadiths:
The main themes of the Jihad are: if Jihadi Muslims survive the battle, they secure concubines and plenty of booty, but if they fall (die), they are sure to enter paradise full of houris, wine and living in the most luxurious environment.
TIRMZI, vol. 2 states on page 138: Every man who enters paradise shall be given 72 (seventy-two) houris; no matter at what age he had died, when he is admitted into paradise, he will become a thirty-year-old, and shall not age any further. A man in paradise shall be given virility equal to that of one hundred men.
Ghilman (Young Boys): In sura: (52:24) Allah promises to supply young diamond-sparkling beautiful boys for some inhabitants of Islamic heavens. Some deceitful western living mullahs will argue that these boys are there to serve drinks to the pious inhabitants of the heavens and not for having sex by those Beduin homosexual Jihadi Martyrs. They also will argue that Koran did not specify that these Ghilman (young boys) will be used as sex partners by Martyrs, i.e., it was not said so in the Quran. Well, Koran also did not specify what those Martyrs/pious Muslims suppose to do with the wide-eyed, firmed, swollen breast, white skinned beautiful houris! Your parent gets you married a beautiful young lady, and parents never say what you suppose to do with your wife, do they? Decietful Mullah’s logic/excuse that these Ghilman could be there as the waiters just to serve drinks and food does not sound right. I don’t think it is the purpose of supplying young boys just to be the waiters. Waiters could be adult person instead of pearl-sparkling everlasting young boys! Is not it folks?
The Sex Market of Heaven (Islamic brothel):
Allah has arranged for Pious Muslims a non-stop and non-interrupted sex in Islamic heavens because Mullahs will remain busy only with unlimited sex and wine for billions of years to come. These are rewards from the merciful Allah for killing and torturing those enemies of Allah by Mumeen Muslims.
In the Hadiths the Prophet Muhammad gave the believers a final choice of a open sex market in heaven where there will be no limit of the number of sexual partners. Women are in display like open fruit market. Hadith: Al hadiths, Vol. 4, Page-172, No.34: Hozrot Ali (r.a) narrated that the Apostle of Allah said, “There is in paradise an open market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, at once he will have intercourse with them as desired.
In this open sex market of heaven one can easily imagine what type of fun is going to happen there. Say one particular day of heaven—one very pious Muslim (who prayed five times a day and visited Mecca) who has been permitted to the best of Islamic heaven. There one day he decided to visit (out of curiosity) the famous sex market of heaven, and when he reached there, he found out that all his great great grandfathers, grandfather, father, brothers also were there visiting “Islamic Brothel” called heavenly sex market. Now, they all got excited by the paragon beauty of heavenly houris with very swollen breasts, dark eyes and fair skin. The great great grandfather will command all his descendents family members to feel free to enjoy the sweet taste of houris. In that case the great great grandfathers, grandfather, father, brothers—they all will start simultaneous orgy of sexual intercourse right in front of each others. Can you imagine that terrific scenery folks? Allah is really great and merciful indeed!
Now Some Descriptions of Houris:
Quran-(The Tidings: 30) The houris are ever-young women who have wide eyes, flexing glances and swelling (protruding/pointed) bosoms.
MISHKAT, (volume three Says on pages 83-97): If a houri looks down from her abode in heaven onto the earth, the whole distance (space) shall be filled with light and fragrance. A houri's face is more radiant than a mirror, and one can see one's image in her cheek. The marrow of her shins is visible to the eyes.
TIRMZI, volume two (p 35-40): A houri is a most beautiful young woman with a transparent body. The marrow of her bones is visible like the interior lines of pearls and rubies. She looks like red wine in a white glass. She is of white color, and free from the routine physical disabilities of an ordinary woman such as menstruation, menopause, urinal and offal discharge, child bearing and the related pollution. A houri is a girl of tender age, having large breasts which are round (pointed), and not inclined to dangle. Houris dwell in palaces of splendid surroundings.
Here are some incredible stuffs in heaven waiting for Mumeen Muslims.
Book by the great Imam Ghazzali: Ihya Uloom Ed-Din. The Sunnis consider this epic as next to Quran.
Volume 4,
Page-4.430
“According to Prophet Muhammad (SW) the Hurs of Paradise will be pure women—free of menstruation, urine, stool, cough and children. The Hurs will sing in Paradise on divine purity and praise—we are most beautiful Hurs and we are for the honored husbands.
Muhammad said that an inmate of Paradise will have the sexual strength of 70 men. Muhammad said, “An inmate of Paradise will have 500 Hurs, 4,000 unmarried women and 8,000 widowed women. Each of them will keep embracing him for the duration of his whole worldly life.”
P-4.431
Muhammad said, “If an inmate of Paradise will wish to have a son born to him, he will get it. It stays in womb, its weaning away from milk and its youth will come to pass at the same time.” Muhammad said, “The inmates of Paradise will be beardless and hairless. Their color will be white and their eyes painted with collyrium. They will be youth of 33 years of age. They will be sixty cubits long and seven cubits broad.”
Conclusion:
It is quite evident from the Quran and Sahih hadiths that Islamic heaven is full of lusts and earthly greed which had been formulated by Prophet Muhammad himself only to lure Arab Bedouin to join his venture of plundering, killing, rapping innocent Arab pagans and others who refused to believe his weird religion of Allah. Prophet Muhammad was extremely intelligent, cruelest, and very cunning human being indeed! He realized very well that to materialize his narcissistic dream, he needed to incite/energized Bedouin illiterate and desperately vagabond poor Arabs to unite and fight his enemy the Pagans and Jews.
He understood very well, as to, what could be the crucial objects/materials that will be most attractive to those Pagan Arabs. He knew that Arabs are inherently sex maniac and wine lovers which are historically true. In the Arab desert environment—water was another most precious commodity which no Arabs could refuse or neglect to get. Prophet Muhammad’s clever creation and wishful description of heavenly pleasures (which he also copied from other religions like Zoroastrian and Hinduism) did not miss any of the above most important and most attractive items to lure Bedouin Arabs. In fact, those poor, illiterate, Vagabond Arab Bedouin were simply mesmerized by the incredible lustful description of heavenly houries, wine, foods, and luxurious life style in the heaven.
Most important driving force behind their craze was war booties: sex with those beautiful young ladies of defeated pagans, wine, and other earthly goods which most Bedouin Arabs could not even dream in their entire life. As a result they were totally fearless fighters and wanted to die in a hurry in order to achieve those incredible heavens in the after life. This was the key factor which brought Prophet Muhammad’s victory after victory over the Arab Pagans.
Without a question Prophet Muhammad used his most cunning mindsets to create most dangerous and horrendously cruel punishments in his weird Islamic hells (a separate essay will be written on Islamic hells later) which equally kept all Pagan Arabs totally in panic and subdued. The fear of hell fire, and unlimited greed for lustful heavenly pleasures were the most important driving force which has kept most pagan Arabs totally tamed to the Prophet Muhammad’s wishful mission of establishing Islam. Even today, the same fear of hellfire and greed of lustful heavens are the most important and primary elements (Opium) which is keeping almost 1 Billion human beings not only subdued or numb, but devoid of any norm, or human sense.
Syed- Kamran Mirza writes from USA. He can be communicated thru : [email protected]
No virgins for women
in Muslim Paradise
By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
January 26, 2007
When Muslim men die and pass to Islamic Paradise (Heaven), they expect to enter a utopian dimension where wine, milk and honey flows, fruit-trees flourish and rivers gush forth with the purist water.
Here, they plan to be greeted by 72 young virgins of "perpetual freshness" (houris) who will lead them into palaces loaded with luxurious thrones surrounded by gold, silver and jewel plated furnishings.- a holy place where believers reclined on jeweled couches surrounded by the finest silks can experience unlimited erotic sexual pleasures.
Islamic scholar Yusuf Ali described the virgins as "the companionship of Beauty and Grace - one of the highest pleasures of life. In the higher life it takes a higher form...The pronoun in Arabic is in the feminine gender. It is made clear that these maidens for heavenly society will be of special creation,-of virginal purity, grace, and beauty, inspiring and inspired by love, with the question of time and age eliminated."
The virgins, according to another Islamic commentator are "creations of God, intelligent yet soulless and created to serve the believer who goes to Paradise. They are created for the purpose of serving the believer, and as such, they don't exactly have free will. They are described as pure, beautiful, dark eyed, lustrous, virgin, and more perfect than any human on earth. Imagine the woman of your dreams."
Quranic commentator Al-Suyuti (died 1505 ) explained more graphically that Muslim men in Paradise experience non-ending arousals and that ever time they have sex with one of the angelic maidens, they find her body reconstituted as "virgin."
"The sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint," Al-Suyuti explained. " Each chosen one [Muslim] will marry seventy houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all (will be appetizing)."
Islam's Prophet Muhammad was heard saying about Islamic Heaven: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a [Yemen]."
To assure Muslim men that they will be able to fully enjoy their heavenly rewards, Muhammad said, "A man in paradise shall be given virility equal to that of one hundred men."
Islamic law and moral guidance for all of Islam is mostly based on the life of Muhammad and his Quranic revelations, his life as a conquering warrior and his sayings, acts, approvals or disapprovals. He was born 570 years after the death of Jesus Christ.
Muslims say that the Archangel Gabriel manifested himself to Muhammad where he was secluded in a cave to pray.
Gabriel, according to Islamic teachings, instructed the terrified Muhammad that he had been chosen as a messenger of God to "recite, repeat and proclaim" revelations from God. For nearly 23 years, Muhammad supposedly received "Divine" instructions
As soon as Muhammad would receive a divine revelation and repeat it back to his followers, it became Islamic tradition or law. Muhammad recited a revelation declaring that Christ was not the Son of God another instructing Muslims that it was their heavenly duty to fight and kill Christians and Jews where ever they could be found.
For centuries Muslim men have followed Muhammad's specific "revelation" instructions on how and when to fight, loot, pillage, plunder, rape, torture and murder in order to further the interests of Islam and their own personal wealth in the form of "plunder."
Muslim women were and still are restricted to the role of wife, who is a source of comfort for her husband and mother for his children. This because Muhammad was heard to say "men are the protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has given one more strength than the other, and because they support them from their means" and "stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display of yourselves like that of the former times of ignorance. (Surah Ahzab:33)
When a Moslem female turns 7 years old, she is segregated from all males in and out of her extended family. From then on, no males including her father, grandfather, uncles, brothers, cousins are allowed to be present at her birthday parties or at any ceremony celebrating her accomplishments.
At 9 years old, she must begin adhering to Islamic laws because she is considered an adult and eligible for marriage. Muhammad contracted for his wife Aisha, when she was 7 (he was 51) and consummated the marriage when she was 9.
Aisha, was the second of 11 wives and an unknown number of concubines and female slaves who Muhammad collected during his life, which span from 570 AD until 632 AD.
When a Muslim woman steps from her house into the public, her body must be covered from head to toe with no skin showing (hijab).
This law, according to Islamic tradition, is a result of Muhammad becoming upset one day when he noticed several of his wives flirting with men who were visiting him. Muhammad ordered the women to retire behind a dividing curtain when speaking to the men. It was that order by Muhammad which caused the Islamic obligation of hijab. The term comes from the Arabic word "hijaba," which means to hide from view.
If a Muslim women gets sick, she is required to be treated by female doctors. If none are available, she must be examined through some sort of divider or go without treatment.
Like Muslim men, Muslim women must kneel facing Mecca and pray five times a day and fast one month out of a year. Women are required to pray at home in many Islamic countries because females are not allowed in mosques. Among the countries which allow women in mosques, the women are banished to basement rooms or other segregated spaces.
Muslim leaders explain that for Islamic prayers to be "valid" and "accepted by Allah," the prayer must be offered with a complete presence of the heart, harmony of the inner self and uninterrupted concentration.
They say women performing the Muslim prayer movements of standing upright, sitting, bending and prostrating is inappropriate because it distracts men from their prayers. For justification, Muslim leaders point to the Islamic tradition which states " . . . and whoever prays behind a woman imam should repeat his prayers even if the time slot for that specific prayer has passed."
Muhammad was once heard saying: "from among my followers there will be some who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, to be lawful. Allah will destroy them during the night and will let mountains fall on them. He will transform the rest into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Doom" (Hadith, Volume 7, Book 69, Number 494v).
As a result, Muslim women are ordered not to wear silk (fashionable cloths) or bright colors, play musical instruments, dance, wear make-up, date, have sex outside of marriage, play sports, watch men play (even on television), etc. If they get caught doing so, depending on the Islamic country, they will be arrested and beaten.
Women living under Islamic laws are not allowed to work, travel, go to college, join organizations, or visit friends and relatives without the permission of their father or husband.
They can be legally jailed or executed for violations of Islamic laws, depending on the seriousness the infraction.
Quranic verse 24:31 warns Muslim women not to make eye contact or allow any part of their skin or jewelry to be seen by strangers, "and tell the believing women to lower their gaze and protect themselves from illegal sexual acts, and not show off their adornment [to all men] and boys]." As a result of this verse, if an adult girl (9 years and older) is raped by an adult man, she will be considered at fault because she was careless and provoked the attack. Her parents will be expected to severely punish or kill her for dishonoring her family.
If a woman is taken political prisoner, and condemned to death, Islamic law prevents her from being executed as long as she is a virgin because Muslim leaders believe virgins go to heaven. But, according to those same leaders, women involved in politics are "ungodly creatures" who do not deserve to go to heaven. To insure that an "ungodly virgin" does not enter heaven, the woman's captors will treat her as a concubine making it legal for her to be systematically raped.
Islamic justification for raping woman prisoners can be found because Muhammad gave permission for Muslim warriors to rape enemy prisoners "except those (captives and slaves) whom your hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you….." Surah 4:24. The key words for the Islamic legal code are "whom your hands possess" and "thus Allah has ordained for you."
Muslim Quranic (bible) verse 4:34 instructs Muslim men to "admonish" and "beat" their wives if they become "rebellious" and that "men are the managers of the affairs of women because Allah has preferred men over women and women were expended of their Rights."
In an Islamic court of law, it takes the testimony of two women to override the testimony of one man. Justification for this legal tradition is found in Quran 2:282.
Muslim women are not allowed equal right to their inheritance (Quran 4:11-12) because they are only worth half of a man's share. In most Islamic countries, women are not allowed to vote and are certainly not allowed to be elected to public office.
According to Islam, most women are inherently evil and their ultimate destiny is Hell fire. Muhammad explained about one of his visions, ". . . I stood at the gate of the Fire [Hell] and saw that the majority of those who entered it were women."
When a women asked Muhammad why there were more women in Hell than men, he replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you."
When the woman asked what was deficient in a woman's intelligence and religion, Muhammad answered, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man? This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses? This is the deficiency in her religion."
Because Muhammad said, "marry such women as seem good to you, two, three, four; but if you fear you will not be equitable, then only one, or what your right hands own; so it is likelier you will not be partial," polygamy is legal in Islam. A man may marry "four Permanent" and as many "Provisional" or temporary wives as he desires.
Because Muhammad said, "your women are a tillage for you; so come unto your tillage as you wish," Islam assumes not only that women are worth less than men, but that they are property who must unquestionable meet all her husband's sexual desires. If she refuses, he has the legal right under Islamic law to deny her food, shelter, and all of life's necessities.
A Muslim woman does not have the right to choose who she wants to marry. She is not permitted to divorce her husband unless she can prove he is impotent or that he does not have sex with her "at least one night in every forty nights" and if he has not provided her with a minimum standard of living. In both cases, the woman would need another witness, because Muhammad said a women's testimony counts only "half of a man's."
If a Muslim women protests any of her treatment, she is reminded that "her husband can divorce her simply by repeating "I divorce you" three times and that her prayers and devotions will not be accepted by God and curses of heaven and earth will fall upon her" if she continues to rebel.
Since Muhammad's time, Muslim women have been made to fear the Hell Fire consequences of disobeying husbands and fathers, but what can the loyal and obedient women expect to find for herself in paradise?
Because Paradise, is described in largely male terms, the exact nature of an equivalent reward for women remains unclear. Married women, who pass the purity test will be reunited with their husbands and children. A woman who married more than once would have to choose which husband she would prefer to join her in the after-life. She, however, remains reserved for her husbands, if one chooses to keep her.
Men who married more than once will remain free to keep all their wives while having the privilege of being attended to by 72 pure, beautiful, dark eyed, lustrous angelic maidens, whose bodies continuously reclaims as "virgins."
Muslim scholars say that Muslim women in Paradise are also rebuilt young and beautiful with perpetual virginity, but that there is no Quranic promise of virgins for women.
Although Muhammad was heard promising that "round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls," Muslim scholars are emphatic that the pretty virgin boys in Paradise are not there for the women.
"I am a Moslem woman. I have no face. I have no identity . . . Islam believes and promotes only one relationship between male and female and that is the relation of lust . . . I have no explanation on why God denied me everything and made men in charge of me, if there is a God. I don't believe there ever was one."-- Dr. Parvin Darabi, a rehabilitated Muslim woman, author and activist.
Name:sam •
Date: 11/16/11 16:45
A: V V K,
You claim the following:
"sex and violence are the main pillars of Islam"
YOU ARE A STUPID LIAR, IGNORANT, AND NOT AN HONEST PERSON.
YOU ARE FULL OF HATE , AND THAT IS WHAT YOUR BUDDHIST RELIGION TEACH YOU.
Before you attack the Islam religion , first look at the teaching of your Buddhist religion.
That is what your Buddist religion teaching you:
Each rebirth takes place within one of five realms according to Theravadins, or six according to other schools.[26][27] These are further subdivided into 31 planes of existence:[28]
{five or six "REBIRTH" according to the schools - who created this lie, which only the stupid ones can believe in it !!!}
- Naraka beings: those who live in one of many Narakas (Hells)
{the ( hells ) for Buddhists, since heavens not mentioned !}
- Preta: sometimes sharing some space with humans, but invisible to most people; an important variety is the hungry ghost[29]
{"hungry ghost" visible to some, but not to all !!!, WHAT A NONSENSE, HOW A MAN WITH HUMAN BRAIN BELIEVE IN SUCH GARBAGE TEACHINGS}
- Animals: sharing space with humans, but considered another type of life
Human beings: one of the realms of rebirth in which attaining Nirvana is possible .
{A HUMAN AFTER DEATH WILL BECAME AN ANIMAL, AS MONKEY, RAT, DONKEY !!!!!, AND THEY WILL BE ADDED TO THE ANIMAL KINGDOM TO SHARE SPACE WITH THE HUMANS !!!! , IS THAT MEANS THAT GRANDPARENTS AND YOUR PARENTS ONE DAY WILL WALK AROUND YOU AS MONKEYS, RATS, DONKEYS. OR AFTER YOUR DEATH YOU MIGH TURN INTO SNAKE AND MIGHT POISEN YOUR CHILDREN ????.
ONLY STUPID WHO BELIEVE IN SUCH MAN MADE TEACHING.
- Asuras: variously translated as lowly deities, demons, titans, antigods; not recognized by Theravāda (Mahavihara) tradition as a separate realm[30]
{SOME BECAME ANIMALS , OTHERS WILL TURN TO DEMONS, TITANS ETC., !!!!}
- Devas including Brahmas: variously translated as gods, deities, spirits, angels, or left untranslated
{FROM HUMANS TO GHOSTS , TO ANIMALS, TO GODS , TO ANGELS, SPIRITS ETC., !!!!.
ARE ALL THAT THE CREATION OF THE BUDDHISTS MONKS ???
DID THOSE WHO WROTE THIS STUPID TEACHINGS EVER WITNESSED THE AFTER LIFE CHANGES OF HUMANS TO ANIMALS GHOST, GODS ETC, ???
OF COURCE NOT, AND THAT IS FOR SURE , AND THAT IS THE TRUTH, AND THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN SUCH TEACING ARE FOR SURE STUPID, BECAUSE THEY FOLLOW WHAT SOME BUDDHISTS MONKS CREATED .
Rebirths in some of the higher heavens*, known as the Śuddhāvāsa Worlds (Pure Abodes), can be attained only by skilled Buddhist practitioners known as anāgāmis (non-returners). Rebirths in the arupa-dhatu (formless realms) can be attained only by those who can meditate on the arūpajhānas, the highest object of meditation.
* {THIS LAST ONE IS JUST MORE GARBAGE ADDED THE PREVIOUS ONES}
Good luck to you for your future life, I think in your second life you will come as a SNAKE to share a space with the humans, and in the life after snake , you come as monkey or donkey or whatsoever the monks choose for you. Good luck V V K .
Name:sam •
Date: 11/16/11 18:24
A: V V K,
You claim the following:
"sex and violence are the main pillars of Islam"
YOU ARE A STUPID LIAR, IGNORANT, AND NOT AN HONEST PERSON.
You support your claim by Q- 52:17-20
Here the translation as been presented by "Islamicity.com"
17. As to the Righteous, they will be in Gardens, and in Happiness,-
18. Enjoying the (Bliss) which their Lord hath bestowed on them, and their Lord shall deliver them from the Penalty of the Fire.
19. (To them will be said:) "Eat and drink ye, with profit and health, because of your (good) deeds."
20. They will recline (with ease) on Thrones (of dignity) arranged in ranks; and We shall join them to Companions, with beautiful big and lustrous eyes.
21. And those who believe and whose families follow them in Faith,- to them shall We join their families: Nor shall We deprive them (of the fruit) of aught of their works: (Yet) is each individual in pledge for his deeds.
V V K , why did you stop on verse 20 and not bringing the verse 21 ?
V V K, there is no "sex and violence " in these verses.
These verse only talk about the punishment to those who do "evil " and not believe in their creator, and the rewards to the "Righteous" and to those who follow their Lord teachings.
And verse 21 which you did not want to mention, it talk about the "Righteous" will be joined together with the righteous members of their families.
For example: IF YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER ARE RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE BUT YOU V V K THEIR SON IS GOOD PERSON THEN YOU WILL JOIN THEM IN HEAVEN, BUT IF YOU ARE AN EVIL PERSON THEN YOUR PLACE IS HELL.
You think in our laws today that the father will be jailed with his son from the crime which the son commited or vise - versa.
So, it clear that there is no sex or violence in the verse of the Quran.
You liar, how many time, and how many examples I give you from the Quran which is forbid violence and killings, but your brain is compleetely shut off, and you only accept the lies of some ignorant people and go to promote them.
Quran said: 5:32 ....whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption done in land, it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one, it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.
I did bring to you this verse from the Quran many time before, which prove that Islam against violence, but you are a dum and stupid person not understand the clear words of the Quran, but keeps bringing your lies and spread your venom for no reason except to show your hate.
According to your Buddhist teachings, in your next life you will be born as a snake, but according to my believe in God our creator you soul will end living in hell.
Quran- 99:7/8 SO WHOEVER DOES AN ATOM'S WEIGHT OF GOOD WILL SEE IT, AND WHOEVER DOES AN ATOM'S WEIGHT OF EVEIL WILL SEE IT.
Here the religion of Islam teaches people that they are responsible for what they do, and they will recieve their rewards or punishments accordingly even if it is as small as an arom.
I hope you understand what the Quran teaches.
Name:vvk •
Date: 11/17/11 8:30
A: Hi Sam
I'm happy and respect all your opinion above. specially mention about Buddhist teaching . You have your right to reject whatever nonsense no logic etc... even Buddhist can do that too. it's never go in hell or be punish by Buddha. Because he said:
“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.
Sakya Muni Buddha
(The Anguttara Nikaya/The "Further-factored" Discourses)
I will be back with your question when i have time. just exchanging between you and me through this forum. If anything make you upset I'm really sorry for all those. take it easy when you have time, do not keep in mind. Thank you Sam.
VVK.
