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Name: chemba  •  Title: Who are the believer and disbeliever?  •  Date posted: 03/08/07 14:50
Q: According to scriptures, almost all, the believers are the people who had got the real or true knowledge of God and life through their own scriptures. And disbelievers are those people who did not know the above said true knowledge – ‘Truth’.

Going just to place of worship and reading the scriptures are not the belief. In Bible, according to it’s authors, Jesus only the true believer. He, actually, tried to teach and asked the multitudes to understand his words, at least to his twelve disciples. But it was not confirmed in Bible that they themselves have had the true knowledge through Jesus words.

For instance from Bible,

Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

"He that hath seen me hath seen the Father."

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

With the above words, we could understand that what Jesus has tried to expose with his disciples.

Who is God?

Who is Father?, How he works?, and How Jesus works as his Father works?

How can Jesus dwell within his Father and his Father in Jesus?

We need urgently to get the answers for the above questions.

The real solution for the present conflict about god, life and universe is within the above scholarly words. But the problem with us is that we simply and blindly reject or accept the scriptural words.

Understanding the true knowledge of God, life and everything is in understanding the real meaning of the above words. If we can understand the real meaning of the above words, then we needn’t understand anything in the world.

You can get more details from, http://understanding-the-life.blogspot.com/ and many titles in it. 
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Name: guahould  •  Date: 03/08/07 15:14
A: What a bunch of jibberish!!!!! Ya think if ya make it sound confusing enough it will make people believe in hogwash?? I would hope that most people these days ,, scholars included,, are smart enough to know that many of the stories in the bible are absolutely unbelievable and not possible. Stories passed down from time,, fabricated by some that would believe almost anything they were told in the days of witches , goblins, vampires, wearwolves, oh,,,and gods.....Hello? are we in there? 
Name: Red  •  Date: 03/08/07 15:41
A: " The real solution for the present conflict about god, life and the universe is within the above scholarly words"

In the above scholarly words there is no solution to predict hurricanes, tornadoes, or acheiving a sufficient velocity to travel the universe.

"if we can understand the real meaning of the above words, then we neednt understand anything in the world"....

What?? So it's o.k. to be stupid as long as we are not stupid enough to understand a hidden meaning in one sentence?? 

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